Corbyn V May Channel 4 8.30 pm tonight.

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Originally Posted by JOHN PRUDEN

john what can she say does corbyn want her to spill every plan she has got to take us and deal the other side of the eu? be like cards up in poker she has a plan she must? it would be like Churchill telling all plans months ahead why cant they work for the country not against it let her do her job labour can wait a couple of years by that time they could get their sh.t together? jp

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Hi John, yeah I take your point but she is not in a good place at the mo and needs to win people around,I think she is wise
enough to keep her strategy to herself but she needs to show in no uncertain terms that Corbyn is not the answer to our
problems and Brexit would be a disaster under his party negotiating team "they would pay up whatever was asked for" and
then I think she's got him bang to rights over our defense as he is a pacifist. cheers John F

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Originally Posted by Lewis McColl

No Cappy unlike you I actually do a lot of reading , the Americans gave us the tools to finish the job, so the D Day landings had nothing to do with the Americans.

The Irish Mercantile Marine during World War II continued essential overseas trade in the conflict, a period referred to as The Long Watch by Irish mariners.[1][note 3]
Irish merchant shipping saw to it that vital imports continued to arrive and exports, mainly food supplies to Great Britain, were delivered. Irish ships sailed unarmed and usually alone, identifying themselves as neutrals with bright lights and by painting the Irish tricolour and EIRE[note 4] in large letters on their sides and decks.[2] Nonetheless twenty percent of seamen serving in Irish ships perished, victims of a war not their own: attacked by both sides, though predominantly by the Axis powers.[citation needed] Often, Allied convoys could not stop to pick up survivors,[3][4] while Irish ships always answered SOS signals and stopped to rescue survivors, irrespective of which side they belonged to. Irish ships rescued 534 seamen.[note 5]
At the outbreak of World War II, known as "The Emergency",[note 6] Ireland declared neutrality and became isolated as never before.[9] Shipping had been neglected since the Irish War of Independence. Foreign ships, on which Ireland's trade had hitherto depended, were less available; neutral American ships would not enter the "war zone". In his Saint Patrick's Day address in 1940, Taoiseach (Prime Minister) Éamon de Valera lamented:
"No country had ever been more effectively blockaded because of the activities of belligerents and our lack of ships..."
Ireland was a net food exporter. The excess was shipped to Britain. The Irish Mercantile Marine ensured that Irish agricultural, and other, exports reached Britain, and that British coal arrived in Ireland. Some foods such as wheat, citric fruits and tea were imported. Ireland depended on, mainly, British tankers for petroleum.[note 7] Initially Irish ships sailed in British convoys. In the light of experience they chose to sail alone, relying on their neutral markings. German respect for that neutrality varied from friendly to tragic.
"Cross-channel" trade, between Ireland and Britain, was from both national perspectives, the most important Irish trade route. Irish ships crossed the Atlantic on a route defined by the Allies: a line from Fastnet Rock to the Azores and then along the line of latitude at 38° North.[10] Ships on the "Lisbon-run", imported wheat and fruits from Spain and Portugal, as well as goods transhipped from the Americas. They followed the line of longitude at 12° West, while Allied convoys to Gibraltar were 20° West.[11]
There were never more than 800 men, at any one time, serving on Irish ships in the war.[12.

Thousands of Irish men joined the British armed forces during ww2 and paid a heavy price for doing so, sadly in there homeland they were blacklisted from gaining employment after the war. Also in N Ireland there was no such thing as conscription everyone was a volunteer. The Irish have always readily joined the British forces and still to this day can hold the Queens commission.

During the Belfast Blitz Lord Carson contacted Dublin and asked for fire tenders to be sent to help. Dublin sent help and three days later the Germans bombed Dublin. So did the Irish actually back the Germans in the ww2, I think not.

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###you twist and turn too much lewis i never mentioned the irish merchant navy ....but of course it suits your purpose to suggest i did ....but i did mention the u boats lying off ireland and crews going ashore for stores etc ...and being welcomed in bars .....some even leaving there u boat hats in the bars .....sadly i think you suggested if you dont like my posts dont read them.... well i have done that to one other on the site because of twisting and turning... which of course is my freedom of speech....cappy

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Originally Posted by Lewis McColl

Channel 4?? I got it on Sky News full programme and still watching the after . After that programme Tory lead will be slipping again, sorry but she failed to win my vote, she failed in front of the audience and got hammered by that horrible Paxman who has to be the most arrogant arsehole on the TV.

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It hasn't happened yet!

29th May 2017 ?

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Originally Posted by John F Collier

If anyone is interested, Theresa May has agreed to meet Jeremy Corbyn for a question time special:
tonight BBC 1 at 20:30, they've both got all to play for so could be worth a watch, cheers John F

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Just a thought, I think it will be very interesting to see how biased tonights BBC hand picked audience will be. cheers John F

Watched the programme it was basically the same format as the programme the other night, she was on for 30mins answering questions and same for Corbyn, they did not actually meet and had a debate, thankfully they did not have to be insulted by that arsehole Paxman. Nothing new came out of it.

Hi All.
Although our elections are different from the UK the same parties contest the elections, Labour and Liberal [Tory] but with a twist as the Country party are always in with the Libs giving them a majority, but not always.
My family were always Labour voters and I have been the same or should I say; was the same, I think the scene has shifted, both party members are there for the money rather than to run the country to the best of their ability, In most cases the liberals and the Country parties are from the sort of what i would call the landed gentry, rich bankers or business men who should be able you would think to run the country, but unfortunately they usually fall down on the basics. The labour Party as I knew it during the Whitlam era are no more, there are as many millionaires in the Labour party as the Libs and who have never seen the hardship of the people. They are now a political class in their own right. Who too vote for ? Well I vote for the best man for our electorate the one who looks after us the best, as it stands now we have a Labour MP who is getting the electorate quite a bit of money for our Hospital and roads, he is always around and about and easy to access, he's up the local pub today to see what people want. Our last MP who was a Lib no one ever saw or heard of for four years, in fact I never met anyone who had ever seen him so he was dumped.
But come the next election if Labour say that they will allow mass emigration from the Middle East then the choice will be an easy one.
Cheers Des

john#111. mrs may wanted the amount of time to get us out before the next election any anyone who thinks we are not in for hard times for a few years think again we have to make changes there is no money trees growing here and ad to that a couple of hundred thousand extra people coming in every year its not going to bed any bed of roses for any of us but we will come out the other end free from the chains of Europe its costs its laws put on us we can spark up our own fishing industry we should by back all we have sold off and have British on everything made here all that will take hard times and work lets give the woman the chance she has a plan but needs the time to do it? I have not much time for all the paper shaking here here bunch in parliament but they are the only ones if working together this is more important than labour conservative or any other one party ruling but this brexit is going ahead sort that out first without the moaning we are at war? a war of poverty fairness the rights of the people to have a job a home to work for lets put i'm this or i'm that in the votes sort one thing out at a time. make British things for British people sold here and if wanted exported we can do it? just my view.{and I don't ware rose tinted glasses } jp

I too watched this programme last night and although I dislike all and everything Corbyn stands for it hurts me to admit that he came across OK. The questions on the Nuclear issues did unnerve him and he floundered a little. Theresa May was guarded as she had to be but if she is the one sitting around the table in 15 days time she has to be. The leanings of the audience was evident in the applause Corbyn got when he started. Many I would suggest, were carrying a little red book like McDonald.

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