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Have just spent 40 minutes watching the video. It confirms all I have said and thought to myself over the years. Britain has been conned which anyone who took the time out to study would know, Myself personally, a big contributer to this was Edward Heath. Politicians have completely hoodwinked the public, and as for that personage Bliar doesn't deserve the title of ex PM. His name should be stricken from whatever Document, Plaque or anything bearing his name. They will go down in History as the poorest examples of any British political party. Khengis Khan was a saint compared to them. No wonder Russia is worried when they see such idiots handing over the peoples sovereignty to probably the next country they expect to be at war with. I have this sinking feeling when watching such documentarys that Germany which up until recently had occupation troops stationed there as a beaten foe, is again going to have a 3rd go, only this time the conquest of Europe is going to be handed to them on a plate. One can understand why Russia which at one time the Ukraine was part of their country and still has Russian citizens living there is loathe to see it once again disappear into the maws of Germany and its allies. JS

HI Judith.
Thanks for posting that, it confirms what my sister has been telling me for years. Wales should have it's own parliament and get out of Europe. I'm glad I'm living in Australia, even with the clowns that are running this country.
Cheers Des

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#12 Wales already has its own Parliament, but its still evolving

#12... Des the difference out here which I noticed shortly after arrival. When passing the P.M. of Australia in the street in Armadale in WA. That one Keaton married to the German and sometimes see on TV. Nobody took any notice of him and apart from his two bodyguards would not have given a second look at. Also Julia Gillard when she was in power was sighted one night by some one at a meeting I was at, as having passed her wandering around the streets in Rockingham. Politicians out here are not revered like those in Europe and other places. They know that they can be turfed out at anytime and the average Aussie has no qualms about doing so. If they put a foot wrong too many times they are out and they know it. Plenty more where they came from. The ideology between Australia and the UK is totally different and the longer you live out here you forget about it. If the bueurocrats in Europe have their way it wont be long before talking like this about them will be illegal. Australia has a lot going for it, any polly that messes up like some have in the UK their Political career and any other jobs for the boys would be a dam sight harder to find. JS

# 12 Ivan did you miss the R off evolving ?? JS

The yes/ no vote is going to be one big con. The yes campaign will be allocated twice as much campaign funds as the no voters.
As I said in a previous posting when Labour decided on a U turn, I smelt a big rat. When all parties join together, you know that they will be all sing from the same hymn sheet.

I see that Obama is Interfering again.
He told Cameron to stay in the eu.
It has Nothing to do with him. He should stay in his own country and sort out his own mess and not interfere with us or anyone else on this planet. Everything he touches outside of the US has turned into disasters costing the lives of millions. I don't know how he sleeps at night.
Brian

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The yes/ no vote is going to be one big con. The yes campaign will be allocated twice as much campaign funds as the no voters.
As I said in a previous posting when Labour decided on a U turn, I smelt a big rat. When all parties join together, you know that they will be all sing from the same hymn sheet.

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Vic, Harriet Harmon, Has made it public a sigh of relief that Labour lost the general Election, Cameron has a hell of a road to walk if he managers to reach the end, Which I very much doubt he will I said at the time and say again may well be back going solo with his Tory party, And I for one agree Britain is not getting a good deal for what we pay into the E,U, We are governed by Brussels not the U.K. Government, And whatever your politics' you have to agree we cant get things any worse by taking control of our own destiny under whatever party, I am baffled as to what kind of a vision Cameron has for G.B. Unfortunately an ever growing number of his ministers don't see it as he does, Boris Johnson has just been lost for words on the 1pm news, Not his jovial self I wonder why Regards Vic Terry. :rolleyes:

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Vic, Harriet Harmon, Has made it public a sigh of relief that Labour lost the general Election, Cameron has a hell of a road to walk if he managers to reach the end, Which I very much doubt he will I said at the time and say again may well be back going solo with his Tory party, And I for one agree Britain is not getting a good deal for what we pay into the E,U, We are governed by Brussels not the U.K. Government, And whatever your politics' you have to agree we cant get things any worse by taking control of our own destiny under whatever party, I am baffled as to what kind of a vision Cameron has for G.B. Unfortunately an ever growing number of his ministers don't see it as he does, Boris Johnson has just been lost for words on the 1pm news, Not his jovial self I wonder why Regards Vic Terry. :rolleyes:

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Hi Terry, I was always led to believe in any negotiations you always declared your strongest hand and then negotiate a settlement that suits your circumstances.
How can Cameron expect to negotiate a deal when he states his preference is to stay in Europe, its a joke.
He should be stating listen, discuss, give me a deal or I will recommend the UK leaves.
He has given himself no position of strength..
It's interesting two UK major companies Tate & Lyle and JCB are now recommending an out vote.
Tate & Lyle are losing out to the EU sugar beet industry as cane sugar imports are restricyted.
Vic

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I see that Obama is Interfering again.
He told Cameron to stay in the eu.
It has Nothing to do with him. He should stay in his own country and sort out his own mess and not interfere with us or anyone else on this planet. Everything he touches outside of the US has turned into disasters costing the lives of millions. I don't know how he sleeps at night.
Brian

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Aye Brian, that's because he wants/needs an ally in the EU, what Obama rightly fears is an EU combined armed forces, if this were to happen there would be no need for NATO and no nato means bye, bye Americay.
European Army, European Navy and European Air Force, I say bring it on.