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    Small article in todays paper... The Australian icebreaker Aurora Australis is stuck in ice about 150 km from the Antartic coast. All the hype about Climate change and the melting of ice at the polar regions has me scratching my head. Maybe our greenies and other Climate change pushers are referring only to the North Polar Icecap. I do remember reading a short time ago that the scientists who make these estimates had downgraded their estimate of the world heating progress. Anyone a follower of this branch of science and know anymore. Regards John Sabourn
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    I read, somewhere just last week , that the scientists reckoned that Global warming stopped around 15 years ago.
    I was in the Antarctic mainland in 2009 and it was very cold, temps can drop as low as -75c.
    Only ten thousand years ago where my house is, was under 200 feet of ice, now the Greens are taxing my little car because it melted.
    The Antarctic used to be full of tropical rain forests, that is why there is coal and oil there.
    The Greens do not understand anything , that is why they are green.
    I have had my gas heating on most every day this summer, it is very cold.
    The world has always, since it was formed millions of years ago, changed from cold to warm and back to cold ad fin.
    The Greens find this very useful to tax my car, even tho` there were no cars around that melted the ice over my house.
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    When I read that in last week's Mail on Sunday I must admit it did get me to wondering how all these scientists managed to con the world for so long. As you say Brian it is just the natural order of things. The challenge is now how are the politicians going to justify all their taxes previously raised in the name of 'Global Warming'

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    The so called scientists do not look back at the history of our planet, they are concerned only with what happens today.
    A few years ago an article was published in the national newspapers by a scientist claiming that global warming would allow us to navigate the North West Passage for the first time, an allow us to cut journey times to Japan.
    Years ago i had come across a letter written in the 16th Century to the Admiralty.
    The writer was explaining that the ice in the Artic was melting and would allow ships to navigate the North West Passage.
    I wrote explaining that man had had little to do with the ice melting in the 16th xentury and that it was nature.
    Needless to say I am still awaiting a reply to my letter, but what i have found out is that if you challenge using actual historical facts the greens and their cohorts disappear like rats up a drain pipe.

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    'Tis in the nature of their profession to inflate if not invent the odd crisis. Too many youngsters brought up with images on the box of sights around the world which many of us took for granted decided the way to see these was to be a meteorologist, marine bioligist, vulcanolist, etc. Unfortunately we have arrived at a point where there are fifty of them chasing down each vacancy so they invent the next catastrophe to attract funding and I suppose have their thirty seconds of fame. Should we still have had a merchant navy no doubt a lot of them could have done what we did to cure the wanderlust and global warming minus the paranoia would have been reported, noted, and ignored.

    As for the green taxes I will not get too excited when I see my postman strolling up the path at midday thinking he may have a fat refund for me. If only a fraction of what we pay in green taxes were used we could all have solar panels on our homes thereby cutting our energy costs and saving the need to build several more power stations. If road tax and fuel duty were spent on our roads system we would be the envy of the world but it isn't and we aren't. Green duty is no different and serves only to line the pockets of our masters and their cronies.

    Please note, I am not a socialist. I would sell most things to most people and look to make a profit along the way but I take only what I feel fair and strive to leave anyone who meets me happier for the encounter.

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    we could all have solar panels on our homes thereby cutting our energy costs.
    We are actively encouraged to save energy, and if for argument we all saved say 20%, the energy companies far from being happy would be disgruntled. Their revenue would be reduced due to the savings and therefore they would raise prices to cover their shortfall, So it would a never ending spiral.

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    I never give this global warming thing much thought but nobody can deny the fact that oceans and seas are warming up and this is having a devastating affect on marine life none more so than the Great Barrier Reef if we are to believe the scientist's.I believe that there is visual proof of this.
    Brian you live about 40 miles or so from me and I can honestly say that our central heating has hardly been on this summer even today its very mild for the time of the year (just checked thermometer in garden 58deg) no need to have the heating on.
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    Hi Jim
    You live virtually at sea level we are over 600 feet above above sea level and the difference is real.
    The people here who are entitled to Cold Weather payments in winter because the temp is around zero for seven days don t get it.
    Because the air temperature is taken at the Met. centre at Manchester Airport which is only a few feet above sea level, so no one gets paid. The higher we live the colder it gets.
    Also I could be a big softy, A lifetime in the tropics and with age us oldies feel the cold more,
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    Brian,...............................just off to light a candle, cant write anymore, the ink in my pot is freezing over and my fingers are gettin numb.......
    Only kidding, not quite that cold ,, yet.

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    Hi John.
    I don't know what theyre talking about. Down here in Cooma it's been freezing, coldest winter anyone can remember, last night minus 6 degrees, burnt off all the new leaves on some plants and we are three weeks into the spring. Everytime we get pictures from antartica the penguins are freezing thier poor little whatsits off.
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    Bit in the paper at the end of last year by an ex gov scientist who blew the lid on much of this. He said that the results of computer moddling was set up in such a way as to give the gov the figures they wanted. Then we had one guy who said the ice caps are melting, even though NZ scientists proved beyond doubt that the south pole is increasing in frozen size. He said Oz, and just Oz, would have such high tides as a result that much of the country would be under a couple of meters of water. Then just last week new figures show the actual global sea level has dropped by some five centimeters and there were three periods of time over the last two thousand years when the globe was far hooter than now. He has not been heard since, wonder why?????
    Just another point, when you freeze water it expands, so when it melts>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    Happy daze John in Oz.

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