The Big Society

[Captain Kong]

Tom Kirby
Hi Tom,
When you have to go for an operation, you have a Medical examination by the Doctors, Blood pressure checks, and ECG for the strength of the Heart, Lung function tests. Blood tests, to see the electrolites, the blood count, the red and white corpusels . etc, etc, Kydney tests, Liver function tests, and so on, Then they can assess if you can survive an operation, more so, the anaesthetic. It is the anaesthetic that kills old people on the table. if their lungs and heart are knackered.
So an Operation depends upon the health of the Patient. can they survive the anesthetic.??
This was explained to me by a Surgeon last June when I was due an operation on my knee, He talked me out of it when he explained what it was all about, he suggested physiotherapy, because i was going to have to have physio anyway after the operation. I did physio every day for three months and my knee is now better without the operation. He told me that the Anaesthetic kills more elderly patients than the reason for the operation.
He did not deny me the operation , but gave me a choice. I am glad I took the right choice.
So because Maggie had a minor operation it does not Stink, she may not have had full anaesthetic, it could have been just a local one. so no effect on the Lungs and heart.
I hope that this explains the case.
There is No restriction on age of the elderly, just the patients health and can they survive the Anaesthetic.
Cheers
Briana.

[Ivan Cloherty]

Tom Kirby

There is No restriction on age of the elderly, just the patients health and can they survive the Anaesthetic.
Cheers
Briana.

'BRIANA' !! oh! no! for god's sake get back in the closet and get out the correct side, we prefer Brian!

[Jim Brady]

Brian,the NHS are talking people out of operations that they consider "None life threatening" the object being to save money.I had an eye test I was told by the optician that the cataracts on my eyes definitely neaded removing.Seen the specialist at the hostpital he told me,"your right eye has had it If remove the cataracts on your left eye and it goes wrong which they often do you wont be able to see atall so you are better carrying on the way you are." I'l be back in the new year and demand the operation.
Regards.
Jim.B.

[John Pruden]

our Christmas this week we started the day perfect all the grand children for Christmas breakfast everyone around the table smiles laughter all around presents given a lovely time same dinner time all happy full of Christmas joy after everyone had gone we sat on the couch and reflected at the day and what a good time we had then 9pm we had the call our sister in law had been ill and an ambulance had been called we raced to the house to find paramedics and ambulance crews there from there to hospital she had had a massive heart attack and they were trying to resuscitate her so we went from the most perfect day to the worst nightmare at 12.05 whilst her hand was held she sadly passed away at the age of 53 leaving her husband and a 14 year old boy so people try to be as good as you can be to each other for the coming year because its true you never know the minute the staff were second to none even though it is holiday time and everything possible was done god bless the nhs for the effort made.jp

[Captain Kong]

So Sorry to hear that John. so sad.
Brian

[Captain Kong]

Briana.
'BRIANA' !! oh! no! for god's sake get back in the closet and get out the correct side, we prefer Brian!
IVAN.
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Hi Ivan,
I guess we all have our `moments.` but dont tell my neighbours, I may get stoned to death.
Brian, [this time]

[Roger Dyer]

Hi Shipmates,

Never thought I would be contributing to this thread. Believe it or not, I generally try and avoid political debate although, I confess, not always with total success.

There is not much you and I disagree on, Brian (Kong) and it seems that is still the case. Contrary to what many may think (and there will be those sceptical of your comments regarding the 'Lima Agreement') your concerns are well-founded. The 'Lima Agreement' is a further example of how the secret machinations of international power-brokers (not always politicians) seek to control the affairs of man. It is but a large scale example of how the devices and designs of influential men deign to arrange the future for us all. It is for what they percieve to be the 'betterment of mankind', but the current turmoil throughout the world would suggest that such ambition is flawed. In one sense it is an extension of what a shadowy, influential, group of Europeans once planned for the future of Europe. I refer to the 'Bildebergers', a group which included Britain's own, Ted Heath (and no, unfortunately, I don't mean the famous British band-leader). It is through their influence that the concept of a united Europe, though not an original idea, was brought to fruition, albeit with less than successful results. Recently we are beginning to see the great conception starting to unravel. As far as Europe is concerned it is now apparent that, when formulating a 'united' Europe, the puppet-masters never accounted for the problem that might be created by greed, jealousy, traditional distrust, and dislike amongst some member nations. Did they not consider that the inherent cultural differences existent in different parts of Europe, might cause insurmountable barriers to the fulfillment of their dream?...... it seems not.

In my opinion, the 'Lima Agreement', as originally percieved, and the EU have a commonality - in the long term, both are doomed to failure.


HAPPY NEW YEAR EVERYBODY !!!!!! and remember...........When you're smiling, when you're smiling, the whole world smiles with yooou... AND..... Always look on the bright side of life....da dum, da dum da dum da dum.......


...................Roger


p.s. It's the Chivas Regal you know, it does it to me every year.

[Captain Kong]

The Big Society.
Brian,the NHS are talking people out of operations that they consider "None life threatening" the object being to save money.I had an eye test I was told by the optician that the cataracts on my eyes definitely neaded removing.Seen the specialist at the hostpital he told me,"your right eye has had it If remove the cataracts on your left eye and it goes wrong which they often do you wont be able to see atall so you are better carrying on the way you are." I'l be back in the new year and demand the operation.
Regards.
Jim.B.
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Hi Jim, you are right. Cost is a big factor, but age is not the problem in the case that Tom brought up.
The hospiitals have a budget imposed on them by the Government. They do struggle to keep to those figures and if a Doctor thinks an Operation is unneccessary for the Patient then of course he will give the Patient a choice to have or not to have, wilth an alternative way.
I was given a choice, I could have had an operation on my knee but tried his alternative solution and in my case it worked, two years ago I did have the operation on my other knee and it did take a long time to get over it. with the Physio.
So this time I am glad I didnt have the op.
I guess it depends on the medical problem and its affect on the individual patient.
But as I originally said there is No age barrier for Patients operations, only if the Patient is fit enough to have the op.
Hope you get your eyes sorted, most precious thing you can have, I would rather lose my legs than my sight.
I was sent to the Hospital to have Catteracts removed from my left eye, It was an Afghan looking type of fellow,
He said `No problem, I go fix it good for you`, I said `No you wont, I am off` and went home. I will wait for a while before I try another hospital.
Cheers ,
Brian.

[Captain Kong]

Good one, Roger.
It is the Bildebergers agreement that Gordon Brown also signed us up to. without the Nation knowing a thing about it, we are now committed to a completely way of life against our wishes.
The Country belongs to the People of this country not a handful of gangster MPs

Cheers
Brian.

[Roger Dyer]

John (Pruden), my sincere condolences to you and your family for the sad loss of your sister-in-law. When posting #27 I did so totally unaware of the contents of your post #24, however, I do apologise if the light-hearted end of my post offended you in any way. It was certainly unintentional.

..............Roger