Work hard lads

[Gulliver]

things are getting worst for the working family in the U.K.? [originally posted by Louis Amigo.]

I dont believe there is Child Poverty in the UK. No one today knows what poverty is......

The parents are stood at the school gates smoking fags at £8 a packet, in the alehouse at night .........
Poverty is Self Inflicted.

Absolutely 100% with you on all of that ,Brian.Plus they still buy nice clothes and go on holidays,even if it is ostensibly for the children. If they are claiming all the benefits for their children,and still can't afford to feed them,then that is indeed neglect,and quite possibly fraudulent and their spending of these benefits should be investigated.They are taking the piss.

Gulliver

[Captain Kong]

Hi Louis, The Child allowance is there to feed children on, it is easy to give a child three good nourishing meals every day, only two in school term as they qualify for free school dinners.
A lot of these women who call themselves parents, have not got a clue about cooking a good nouirishing meal for children , that is vegetables, meat or fish and fruit. It is easy, and cheap to do, well within the Allowance, but a lot of them are too lazy and idle to bother and then blame the State, ie the Tax Payer,
They know how to smoke ciggies at our expence,
I get fed up with the whingers, who are always pleading poverty. but the fascillities are there but too idle to do anything. I never went hungry in the 30s or 40s, mother was a good manager and cook Hard working for her family not lazy like a lot of this new generation of lazy benefit bums.
If they cant feed them then prosecute them for Neglect. but the fines would be paid by the tax payer from the benefits.
Give them food coupons to feed their kids instead of cash, then there is no excuse.
Cheers
Brian.

[Jim Brady]

The food banks in this country are on the increase many opening around the country every day and I may tell you that it is not only the unemployed or benefit scroungers that are going to these places for a free hamper but families where both the husband and wife are working!!!!!The cost of running a household with a couple of kids could be rising by as much as 30%,with food,gas,electricity and clothes etc but people are told that they cannot be given a rise or in some cases take a drop in wages.The last week in the month whilst waiting on their salary they are "skint" and cannot put a loaf on the table so are calling into the food banks.No it's not as bad as the soup kitchens but we have respectable people in full time employment begging for hand outs this cant be right but this is what it's coming to.I think many of you should reflect from decrying people who are in a far worse situation than you and think therefore but for the grace God go I and realise that they are all not scroungers but decent hard working people and why should they not have a fag!!!!Maybe they need one to get through the day.
Regards.
Jim.B.

[Captain Kong]

Hi Jim,
What I am sayinmg is, people get £17+_ a week for each child, what do they do with the money? it does not cost that much a week to feed a child and send him to school. Two Weetabix a day cost £1 a week plus milk. in Term Time a free school dinner and instead of a take away a good mother can make a very nourishing meal quite cheaply.
If they are spending the Allowance for kids on ciggies then that is wrong. regardless of whether they need one. I have lived in more poverty than they have today but with mother`s hard work and good planning we had good nourishing meals. How much does a pan of porridge cost A bag of oats at Sainsburys is 89p, that would feed the kids breakfast all week, a lot of these young mothers are too lazy to make it.
I have never seen or heard of a food bank, there are always people who want something for nothing.
Cheers
Brian.

[Jim Brady]

Brian, (Have I changed my sex)I understand exactly what you are saying I see the people that you are talking about on a regular basis in the pub and smoking cigarettes every day but I cannot stand all people who are out of work and on benefits being classed as scroungers.By the way what kind of a pair of shoes would you get today for £17 kids are growing all the time so shoes dont last long.Anyone that went away to sea went through periods of "feast or famine" I had a few periods of famine and I wont forget it, lucky enough in those days you could eventually dig yourself out of it because there was work now it is not so easy so for people our age it is easy to criticise the young of today who have no hope.
Regards.
Jim.B.
By the way if you have not heard of a food bank just google "food bank" incidently there was a documentry on it recently and it was also a subject for discussion on "Newsnight"

[Gulliver]

I do feel that foodbanks could well be open to abuse.It is human nature for anyone to want something that is freely given,whether they are needing it or not.It would be a good idea if the benefits agency issued vouchers to only the desperately and genuinely needy.I must say some of the people frequenting them I saw on the TV news didn't exactly look needy.The kids looked pleasantly plump,perhaps the mother with nicotine-stained fingers needed extra food to supplement the expensive fish and chips and Macdonalds diet that has been 'squandered',instead of giving them cheaper and more nutritional alternatives.

Sorry,I do not see how working families should have to resort to food bank handouts.
It's pointless trying to tell the smokers to stop spending £50 per week because as we have seen in these forums before, stubbornly they just will not see your point,so how about cutting down on something else-there's always economies everyone can make,like cutting down on your motoring expenses(in some cases that means getting rid of one of the cars!)., stopping going out drinking every day,cutting down on giving in to kid's demands for the latest clothing and fads. etc,etc.

It's not rocket science,those on pensions do it every day,and certainly our parents did it.
If you can't or in some cases won't help yourself then I don't think you deserve free handouts. I have sympathy only for the needy,not those who have still,albeit a reduced , comparatively good wage coming in.

I would hate the concept of foodbanks to become a permanent fixture of society,just because people will not change their lifestyles or expectations.

[Jim Brady]

Gulliver,how would you like to be 25 present day with two young children and just lost your job with no hope of further employment.Just think about that for a couple of minutes then come back on and tell me what you would do!!!!
Regards.
Jim.B.

[Gulliver]

Gulliver,how would you like to be 25 present day with two young children and just lost your job with no hope of further employment.Just think about that for a couple of minutes then come back on and tell me what you would do!!!!
Regards.
Jim.B.

Jim,perhaps it's pointless me posting if you don't bother digesting the content,and just come out on the defensive.
I inferred that others apart from the genuinely needy may be abusing the foodbank system. Your hypothetical man with two kids who has lost his job is in need obviously.Like yourself,it upsets me that this is happening.His is a genuine case.
Once again,I say others more than the genuinely needy may be abusing the foodbanks.
Go and have your fag if you must ! Was it my mention of spending money on smokes that upset you and blinded you into misinterpreting my post,I wonder.
No such intention.

Regards
Gulliver

[Jim Brady]

Gulliver,firstly I dont smoke.The people who go to the food banks have to be refered by a third party to go there.They will not be able to go there on a regular weelky basis and in fact the people running the food bank may contact various agencies such as Social Services and the children could well be placed on the "at risk register"
Regards.
Jim.B.

[Captain Kong]

Sorry about the `Kim` Jim, the K is next to the J a finger typo. I was in a hurry to get to the alehouse to see an old seafaring mate.
Cheers
Brian.
. I do realise that some cases need extra help, But, there are a lot of useless women out there with no idea how to feed children a good nourishing meal every day. And it is affordable. They would rather have a take away instead of good shopping, Go to Asda after 5pm and food, Chickens , Fish etc is almost give away prices, much , much cheaper than a Take away, meal. But it is easier to order one, A lot of these women are Lazy, I have one two doors away just moved in a few months ago with five kids in a Rental house. paid for with the Council Tax I and others pay for. The Pizza man is always delivering, the kids do not know what a cabbage is, or Broccoli and so on. I and many other taxpayers are paying for all this. I cannot get a penny because I didnt waste my money , I paid for a small MN Pension and have to pay Income Tax on it. This woman drives a car, I am struggling to put petrol in mine.
After tax my pension is almost wiped out. I cannot claim one penny benefit, cos I have savings.
These people get a lot of Benefits, Rent and Council tax paid, Childrens allowance, various bills are paid for them because they have children, there is a lot of help out there for them but they do not help themselves, They expect the Tax Payer to pay them.
Cheers
Brian.