Work hard lads

unions were the cause of more jobs lost than any company owners seamans strike example in south shields comeon lads 200 pounds aweek in the 60s result shipowners colosing up after using indian crews etc regards cappy from shields

Hi shipmates. The unions did not make the ship- owners employ cheap unskilled labour ? but they accountants' / share -holders saw a easy way how to gain extra profit, and not pay any British taxes' by reflaging they ships see merchant navy history !!! and many British companys sold out they flag to made a quick buck in the short term, the result is that many of them are now out of business, as they did not invest in the modern ships or technology!!! Plenty of other western countries who payed seaman higher wages, than the british merchant navy ,fill in the gaps and some are still many years later doing very well. But other nations have now have the ships and skilled men and women to do the job at sea. So the british merchant navy once the worlds biggest and best is now a very small player.

louis amigo the strongest unions have all gone shipyards mines seamans textiles why cos the graspers at the top tried to take all the cake

scargill cant get him out 30 years latern
textiles come from abroad
shipyards got none
seamen got none
why cos our wage bills are too high
its now happening in oz
its the same in france
in italy in spain
but not in india china pakistan too many people been carried here
no skills but expect all the cake
regardscappy r683532

Hi Cappy Hi shipmates, The top people at any company private or public or bank in any part of the world !!! allways get the top money and perks. Mr A Scargill of the mines union,{ A real hero } He beat Ted Heath but "the Iron lady" used troops and the police to bring him down very unfair in a democracy? I was working on a ship british cargo the time of the miners strike exporting coal to spain???? from Swansea??? so could not join the strike .The tory government closed down the mines after what happen and many mine workers lost their jobs british coal board} government owned ,to break him and this miners union? and crush every union who had the backbone to stand up for workers rights, in the U.K. Do you thing the low payed workers in India, China , eastern europe, are happy working for peanuts ? the old saying better than slavery or working on the rich masters' field wont last long for them its like working in a sweet shop when you cant buy any sweets. The unoins will become strong in them countrys over time l if they bent government dont jump on them and send them to prison, for re education like the Chinese have been doing for years.{ The unions and the workers will win in the end}The top 7% has all the wealth and power but are only few in number, The Days of big business and they system of keeping us in the bottom place with lack of money, and high debts high bills low wages for most workers will end soon{. No more cheap labour a fair day work for a fair days pay !!!!! world-wide}

louis amigo
ore carriers coming in the tyne polish ships polish crews working for nix why cos no british shipowneris going toput in milllions of pounds to lose it when the poles do it for nothing
love the hero bit about scargill hes the only president without acompany and still living in a company palace free
seamans union in shields 1950s and 60s an admitted commie but i didnt see him rush to join a rusky ship
demarcationin the shipyards bully boy tactics
unions in the car industry
unions in the steel industry
unions re the olympics
unions in the undergound
my feelings are i never needed them i could always speak for myself and gave a good days work for a good days pay
put the unions in mcdonalds there will be nothing left then apart from the union men jobs for life on the subs youve paid
regards cappy r683532

Cappy,can you please tell us what the present rate of pay is at sea for Polish,Croation,Filipino and other nation seamen is.I can assure you it is a lot more than nix as you put it.
Regards.
Jim.B.

dont know but i bet you wouldnt go to sea on them ships for those wages regards cappy

Hi shipmates , Hi Cappy Hi jim The Eastern European seaman and many others, are employed by agencys, All pay is low and hours are long your lucky to have any money How many are payed off after many months at sea with no wages officers, engineers ,and crew or a promise that they will be payed at sometime? in the future and put ashore ? This has happen many times over the last 20 years with out trade unions the seamen, have no rights or defence, against crooks Many have refused to leave the ship The sit in was the common way to get them to pay before the ship change hands or was charter by bogus flag companys. I remember many a crew begging for food reading stories in the newpaper when I was working ashore, this has happen to many crews in many ports.

Hi Lous the Amigo
One thing always puzzled me all through my time as a union delegate; and that is why is it that the people who didn't want unions always took the money they got for them, I never come across anyone who said "NO I DONT WANT IT". I had an argument once with a bloke who didn't want to pay his union fees, I said ok if that's what you want good; I will see the boss and tell him too pay you the minimum wage, he said you can't do that, I said of course I can you are not a union member why should you get the same benifits achieved by the members? It was then OH! all right Ill pay. It was not only to pay the union officials but there were lawyers, court appearences, staff etc. My Dad worked double shifts in a steel works but still found time to help people with thier problems, and they were not always union related. I did the same as I that was the way I was brought up.
I will agree with the people like Les who says that now mostly the unions are run by jumped up Uni people who are only trying to get into parliament, but who let it get that bad? The working man is his own worse enemy. And come on all you retirees who fought for the pension you all enjoy. :rolleyes:
Cheers DEs

Thanks for that Des could not have put it better as there are an awful lot of hypocrites that have ended up retired with good money that the unions worked for. Bet none of those non unoinist who where in executive type jobs did not refuse the flow on affect that bolstered their pay either.