The Bid for Leadership Race....

Lets not forget our NHS is a bottomless pit were finance is concerned ...the term OUR NHS IS A SLOGAN ....it is not our NHS it belongs to the folk who work in it so efficiently ..........the waste in the NHS IS INCREDIBLE ...IF IT WAS A BUSINESS IT WOULD HAVE GONE BUST YEAR AFTER YEAR...my next door neighbours are two young doctors .....they each work 25 hours per week on average and of course are rewarded extremely well BUT THE TRUTH IS MISMANAGEMENT FINANCIALLY WOULD HAVE SEEN THE NHS COLLAPSE YEAR UPON YEAR IF IT WAS A BUSINESS ......BILLIONS PUMPED IN .....IT NEEDS A THOROUGH FINANCIAL ROOT AND BRANCH EXAMINATION.....OR IT WILL EVENTUALLY DISAPEAR UP ITS OWN ORIFICE R683532

Hello
Not often that I agree with THE GUARDIAN... but here's a pithy comment....
At least the now-ex Labour leadership hopeful Jess Phillips called it right when she tweeted: “I have no idea how Jeremy Hunt, newly elected health and social care select committee chair, can properly scrutinise the government on health policy and practice when much of it will have been his doing.” Precisely.
Jeremy Hunt. Disaster.
Brenda

Yes agree there is to much misuse of funds in the NHS. One such misuse would appear to be Covid vaccines. We were all told the AstraZeneca Oxford vaccine was sold to the NHS at cost. So why has the NHS turned it's back on the Az vaccine in favour the Pfizer & Moderna vaccines.
Moderna is the most expensive priced at $25/$37 US dollars, Pfizer $18.34/$19 US,AstraZeneca $4/$8.1 US. Why is the AZ vaccine being mainly sold abroad? is it on price or is it not as good as first claimed. Like many here I suspect at the outbreak of Covid we likely got the AZ jab for our first to jabs. When I got mey 3rd jab it was Pfizer.

When Trump was in power he insisted if the UK wanted a trade deal the USA wanted into the NHS drugs market.
Like it or not the NHS is being deliberately mismanaged , delay times for treatments, waiting lists getting longer. It is a to force people to seek Private health care. Yes there will always be an NHS but at what quality of service.

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Originally Posted by vic mcclymont

Typical Socialist response, there is no evidence of wholesale privatisation in the NHS, the present Government has pumped billions into the NHS.
Talk about cronyisim, look at Ferguson Marine and the shambles created by the SNP and its Government.
Edinburgh Children's Hospital opening delayed as the ventilation system was not up to standard.
The £600,000 that has disappeared from accounts controlled by her husband (not suggesting it was stolen by him).
Misuse of Civil Servants by the SNP
The list is endless.
But hey-ho you get what you vote for.

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Crikey I didn't realise SNP politicians were personally fitting ventilation systems to hospitals now. Is there no end to their talents?
I'd always assumed - in my sheltered existence - that would be the kind of thing undertaken by a specialist ventilation contractor appointed by the main building contractor. Obviously I was wrong...

By the same token those same SNP politicos must have been moonlighting in the Fergusons drawing office, in the fabrication shop, on the slips and in the CMAL HQ.

I didn't say there was evidence of wholescale privitisation of the NHS (yet!), but the groundwork is certainly being laid and has been for the past 14 years due to historically low funding. If someone genuinely believes the Tories want the NHS to remain in public ownership and free at the point of use then they're simply delusional - it totally goes against every aspect of their free market mantra.
Look at the example of BR, BT, the Electricity Boards etc and the same tactics were used time and time again: underfund, restrict, deliberately make worse and then tell the ever gullible British public that the only solution is to privatise.
Whereupon the assets are sold for far less than they're actually worth (ergo the Public get shafted) and then the services they provide are provided at a much more expensive rate by a private cartel (public get shafted again). The current situation with domestic electricity and gas prices versus profits is a case in point.

The current Holyrood government isn't perfect (what is), but it's still 100 times better than the Tory equivalent and the electorate know that.

That's precisely why the Tories haven't won a national election in Scotland since 1955 - 67 years ago - and thankfully there's no sign of that changing anytime soon.

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Originally Posted by Jim R Christie

Crikey I didn't realise SNP politicians were personally fitting ventilation systems to hospitals now. Is there no end to their talents?
I'd always assumed - in my sheltered existence - that would be the kind of thing undertaken by a specialist ventilation contractor appointed by the main building contractor. Obviously I was wrong...

By the same token those same SNP politicos must have been moonlighting in the Fergusons drawing office, in the fabrication shop, on the slips and in the CMAL HQ.

I didn't say there was evidence of wholescale privitisation of the NHS (yet!), but the groundwork is certainly being laid and has been for the past 14 years due to historically low funding. If someone genuinely believes the Tories want the NHS to remain in public ownership and free at the point of use then they're simply delusional - it totally goes against every aspect of their free market mantra.
Look at the example of BR, BT, the Electricity Boards etc and the same tactics were used time and time again: underfund, restrict, deliberately make worse and then tell the ever gullible British public that the only solution is to privatise.
Whereupon the assets are sold for far less than they're actually worth (ergo the Public get shafted) and then the services they provide are provided at a much more expensive rate by a private cartel (public get shafted again). The current situation with domestic electricity and gas prices versus profits is a case in point.

The current Holyrood government isn't perfect (what is), but it's still 100 times better than the Tory equivalent and the electorate know that.

That's precisely why the Tories won a national election in Scotland since 1955 - 67 years ago - and thankfully there's no sign of that changing anytime soon.

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Correct Jim, there is a creeping privatisation occurring although you may not notice it. Many services are provided by private companies now but they dont stand out from NHS staff, so when you turn up at hospitals you are seen by staff who appear to be NHS but are actually employed by contractors, same goes for ambulance services, there are several sub contract ambulance and paramedic providers. Dig a little and you will be surprised.

Well fellas truss in my opinion would like to see uk split apart,her snide comment about sturgeon seems like a union breaker,the tory hardliners pull her strings,she is consigning tories into the dumpster of history,I would even have boris back in power and that says it all fellas and I have never voted tory in my life

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Originally Posted by cappy

Lets not forget our NHS is a bottomless pit were finance is concerned ...the term OUR NHS IS A SLOGAN ....it is not our NHS it belongs to the folk who work in it so efficiently ..........the waste in the NHS IS INCREDIBLE ...IF IT WAS A BUSINESS IT WOULD HAVE GONE BUST YEAR AFTER YEAR...my next door neighbours are two young doctors .....they each work 25 hours per week on average and of course are rewarded extremely well BUT THE TRUTH IS MISMANAGEMENT FINANCIALLY WOULD HAVE SEEN THE NHS COLLAPSE YEAR UPON YEAR IF IT WAS A BUSINESS ......BILLIONS PUMPED IN .....IT NEEDS A THOROUGH FINANCIAL ROOT AND BRANCH EXAMINATION.....OR IT WILL EVENTUALLY DISAPEAR UP ITS OWN ORIFICE R683532

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Those are well peddled and popular myths, but they're nonsense.

The Kings Fund breaks things done quite well here: https://www.kingsfund.org.uk/publica...-england-myths

#264. It always amazes me level criticism at opposition parties and they seek excuse not blame. Criticise Tories, for all the faults.
Ferguson failure lies at the heart of the SNP and their inability to plan.

The NHS in England has a budget of £136b.
The NHS in En

#268.. Having opposition parties themself in Western Governments always amazes me Vic . Seems a nation has to have different views on how to run government. Must seem strange to countries that have parties of national and united endeavour , although can’t think of any at the moment . So we are stuck with one big argument false promises and bad government according to at least approx. 50% of the population. Must have something to do with that old saying “ divide and Rule” . However we must remember with tongue in cheek , they are all .honourable , as they all agree to agree on that one point. Cheers JS

Further ... most of us can remember when the. Communist Party was legal, the Nazi party was legal, our democratic parties at least some of them took away this right , and yet Israel practised communism in its early days to achieve its standard of living in today’s world . How do other people world wide look on the West which has outlawed certain parties , and yet kept the Raving Loonie Party as compus mentus. To me a political party is just. A trade name or umbrella which a lot of individuals hide under. If I have to vote I just vote for the person who I think shows the best brain and feeling for the job. If I have to vote for a party it would be a Xmas or birthday one.
Cheers JS