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    According to the latest news the female is ahead in the running.

    Fine, you have had two previous but in my mind only Maggie was any good.

    Who ever wins will have a tough time with global situations as they are.

    Did hear today that the lady has told Fish face in Scotland there will be no second referendum.

    Fish face says she intends to run an 'artificial one' to judge how the people feel about it.
    High court say this is not allowed.

    Fun times in Scotland it appears.
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    Quote Originally Posted by happy daze john in oz View Post
    According to the latest news the female is ahead in the running.

    Fine, you have had two previous but in my mind only Maggie was any good.

    Who ever wins will have a tough time with global situations as they are.

    Did hear today that the lady has told Fish face in Scotland there will be no second referendum.

    Fish face says she intends to run an 'artificial one' to judge how the people feel about it.
    High court say this is not allowed.

    Fun times in Scotland it appears.
    Nationalists in Scotland are rubbing their hands with glee at the prospect of Truss becoming PM, as there is a widespread perception amongst them that she'd be even more helpful to their cause than Boris was.

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    Would be interesting if she were to achieve independence, does she think she can join the EU ?, and would the EU want a hard border between Scotland and Ireland?, after all the trouble with Ireland and UK, just asking, kt
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    I don't think the EU would welcome an independent Scotland, it would raise spectre of independence in othe EU countries.
    Anyway, its time ginger whinger was put in place, constant moaner.
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    The bit I posted about Scotland came from a well know journalist who reports to us every day on our talk back radio.
    He usually gets his facts correct that is why I cannot see a second referendum in Scotland any time soon.
    Talk is , 'you had one a few years ago and that still stands'

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    If I could vote and if I could be bothered, I would vote for Truss, especially so after her comment regarding sturgeon, best way is to ignore her as she is an attention seeker.
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    Would agree with you John, a little concerned about her having to change tack yesterday on regional pay, even if she was badly advised i would have thought she should have seen this was not good herself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Keith Tindell View Post
    Would agree with you John, a little concerned about her having to change tack yesterday on regional pay, even if she was badly advised i would have thought she should have seen this was not good herself.
    As she's proven a few times already, she's not the brightest.

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    Found this on the net, may be of interest to some.


    Perhaps you have been hoping that the age of lies is over. After all, Boris Johnson will soon be swept out of No 10 and whoever replaces him cannot be half as mendacious – can they? Liz Truss may love her pork markets but she can’t be as keen on telling pork pies. Well, I bring bad news. If lying is making a statement one knows to be false, then Britain is wading waist-deep into an era of systemic deceit.

    I don’t just mean the permanently malfunctioning Truss, who this week complained she was “wilfully misrepresented” by, um, her very own press release. No, the fabrications come from across the political establishment and they concern the future of our economy. And the ultimate fruit of these lies may well be another Johnson or Nigel Farage.

    Let’s start at the Bank of England which, this lunchtime, will almost certainly jack up borrowing costs, with possibly the biggest rate hike in more than 25 years. The signs are that the UK is sliding into recession, but no matter: for the Bank’s governor, Andrew Bailey, this is about bringing inflation to heel – “no ifs, no buts”, as he says, with all the pretend command of a flailing supply teacher. Yet the same Andrew Bailey admitted to MPs just this May that he was “helpless” to stop inflation. As his colleagues testified, what is driving up prices in the UK is the global shortage of key commodities, from oil to food to semiconductor chips. What’s not to blame is wage rises, not when – according to economists at UBS wealth management – 99% of British workers are getting poorer.

    When inflation falls back, it will not be Threadneedle Street’s doing. Much more likely is a scenario akin to 2008, when the price of basics shot up so high economies tanked. By raising rates, Bailey wants to show he means business. What he is more likely to do is put firms out of business and sink households into a debt crisis.

    Then there is growth, something all the contenders to be prime minister pretend they can summon up. Rishi Sunak vows to make the UK “the most prosperous place in the world”, while Truss issues promises about “unleashing”, “unshackling” and “unchaining” Brexit Britain, as if it were mouldering in some continental jail. Meanwhile, Keir Starmer swears only he can “reboot our economy”. Is your entire unitary state on the blink? Then the leader of the opposition will be right round to turn it off and on again!

    The politicians are perpetrating the same scam as the rate-setters, bluffing they can get the old economic machinery working like before just by pulling this or that lever. Yet whether in Westminster or the City, both sides are flogging false optimism – and they know it.

    Related: The difference between the Tory candidates’ tax plans? One is bad, the other is really bad | Larry Elliott

    Over the past 50 years, almost every government has overseen lower economic growth than its predecessor – even as it has promised the opposite. That’s according to figures produced for this column by Kevin Albertson, a professor of economics at Manchester Metropolitan University. He analysed national income per person, adjusted for inflation, and then calculated a yearly rate of GDP growth for each prime minister. The end results are the sort of ugly truth Britain badly needs.

    Even in this Tory leadership contest, Margaret Thatcher has been ordained as the prime minister who saved Britain’s economy. The reality is that economic growth during her reign was lower than under Harold Wilson and Jim Callaghan. Then came Tony Blair, who by 2005 was still promising “New Labour, New Prosperity”, even while his government underperformed Thatcher’s. Blair also claimed “our economy is stronger and more stable than for generations”, which sounded laughably hollow two years later when Northern Rock fell over and the credit crisis began. Still, David Cameron did little better and Theresa May’s administration was truly abysmal.

    This is half a century of an economy becoming ever more stagnant, even as its leaders point excitedly to any passing ripple. And those ripples have normally meant more debt: Albertson’s analysis shows that every extra £1 of real GDP growth between Thatcher and the great banking crash came with nearly £2 of borrowing by households and government.

    This is the country described by political economists such as Brett Christophers, Colin Crouch and the Centre for Research on Socio-cultural Change: an economy in which those at the top don’t go in for investment in research or technology but speculation and asset-stripping, and where governments dare not enquire too closely where private money is coming from and on what terms. This is an economic model that prizes its past – elderly people and asset owners – more than its future. Westminster’s usual fantasy fixes about big data or building on the green belt look risibly small against this backdrop. As Woody Allen nearly said, if you want to make God laugh, tell him your plans – but to give Him a really good giggle, say your plans were drawn up by the Taxpayers’ Alliance.

    We hear lies all the time, of course, about Brexit or pandemic preparedness. But the thing about economic lies is that we can easily rumble them – by checking our own pockets to see if we’re better off. Government after government has promised that if we work hard, we’ll get on – and they’ve not held their end of the bargain. The Resolution Foundation’s latest report, Stagnation Nation (a telling title, that one), makes the remarkable observation that every worker aged 31 and under “has never worked in an economy with sustained average wage rises”. That is eight million people, or about a quarter of the labour force, who have never seen work provide a rising standard of living.

    Posing in front of posters with babies, Cameron pretended his spending cuts were to relieve the young of the worry of debt. What he actually did, as some of us warned at the time, was plunge an entire generation into permanent precarity.

    The answer to this isn’t declinism, but realism. The UK is a very rich country. We can afford for kids not to go hungry during school holidays and for our grandparents not to freeze in winter. But rather than the usual delusions about Britain winning “the global race” or the economic pie getting exponentially bigger, it is time to focus on making the slices fairer, taking more away from those at the very top and sharing it out. If politicians keep peddling falsehoods about their strong and stable governments delivering a boom, then they can’t blame voters if they call them liars – and opt to listen to rather more entertaining fibbers with more spectacular stories to tell. The kind of yarn-spinners with whom they wouldn’t mind having a pint. That, you may recall, is partly how we ended up with Farage and Johnson in the first place. And it is a sure way of bringing on their successors.
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    Well,well-the joint-orchestrator of the Brutal Bash Boris Coup, the beady-eyed Savij Cabbij has deserted his partner in crime Richi SoonTax and backed his rival Liz Truss. Perhaps Savij has surmised that he would have an easier time in Liz's cabinet than in Richi's !
    Willy Shakespeare back in the day would have written a Tragedy play about this,although I suppose our leftish contingent would label it more of a Comedy-or perhaps our Lib Dem friends (who?) eager to please both sides in hope of a coalition victory for them would call it a Tragi-Comedy!

    Ah me! I should try for a job with The Spectator !


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    John in Oz,#249. John ,you're reading all the wrong pages on t'internet !
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