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14th April 2018, 05:44 AM
#11
Re: Man overboard
Ship was to dock this morning with police waiting to board her.
The story of her having a spew over the side is correct, but just before she was playing table tennis with her husband.
But I know that ship and where the table tennis is held is a fair way from where she went over the wall.
It is reported the wind speed was about 75 knots with a 4 meter swell.
Under normal circumstances with such wind speeds the open decks are often locked down as it is considered not safe for passengers to be out in such conditions.
It is possible that leaning over the side to spew the wind could have pushed her over, but the ships rails are high at the point where she is sad to have gone over.
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14th April 2018, 07:15 AM
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Re: Man overboard
Ref. to Shaun’s tutor on sea survival and a man in the water in. The vicinity of the propulsion units. Think today the average person has a picture in their minds of the old propellors .today iI think some thought could go into the different types. You have propellers in Cort nozzles , directional azimuth thrusters , thrusters in tunnels and whatever is new on the market. The. One I would have worries about would be the thruster in a fixed tunnel the llikes of the old bow thruster which has two directions only right or left at right angles to the bow.. so in affect is pulling in water one end and discharging the other.. Thinking back after the event I was just as pleased mine broke down , although at the time was cursing it. When in a close situation with people in the water.. one thing Ialso agree withis that the FRCs that are in use with life saving bodies should when practical although they are supposed to have propellor guards on , should be of the jet boat type and props not open to entanglement by obstructions in the water. JS.
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15th April 2018, 03:37 AM
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I've only ever been on one ship that did a Williamson turn to go back and look for a missing passenger ( who turned up an hour later legless in the toilets ) I would say that's the sharpest bit of maneuvering I've ever seen on a cross channel ferry anywhere . Will use to get a lot of trouble with school children particularly early years at senior school ones who would sit on handrails and when you told him to get off the handrail you get a load of mouth when you took them to find their teachers they would be in the bar filling their boots
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15th April 2018, 05:29 AM
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Re: Man overboard
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#9.. Shaun did he not also incorporate putting the helm over into the start of the Williamson turn. I agree with the old wife’s tale, however that does not mean to say I would be willing to put it to the test personally. If you have done the HUET certificate also this forming of survivors in the water forming a circle like a witches coven supposedly to keep sharks away , would certainly not like to put that to the test either. Have noticed that sharks have no fear of tearing whales to pieces. Cheers JWS.
He mentioned the Willamson turn lumped in with other ways to get back to the MOB but I think I was the only one there with a CoC of any sort (the others mostly young ladies wanting to crew on super yachts and several young guys who I couldn't really workout why they were there when they actually turned up), so most discussions were John Craven Newsround type
I kind of felt like it was a case of don't ask questions because it'll confuse people 'as its not in the handout'...
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15th April 2018, 06:11 AM
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Re: Man overboard
Hi John S.
The only time I saw a body associated with a propeller was back in 51 in Wyalla loading wheat, a crew member of a South African ship had fallen in the tide drunk, coming back aboard, next morning they turned over the screw of the S/A ship and up popped his body.
Cheers Des
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15th April 2018, 09:26 AM
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#14... Did the young guys have pig tails and say Hello Sailor. The niumber of courses that seamen have to acquire today must cost a fortune to anyone having to pay yourself , most seamen are xpected to have Certs. For HUET , helicopter Landing Officer, helicopter fire fighting, numerips first aid courss, safety courses, FRC coxn, oil recovery and dispersant, specialist breathing apparatus, and others would have to dig out, plus all the new ones they have found usefor in the past 16 years. The primary purpose of a seaman has been lost in a confetti of paperwork. Ask a modern one to put a monkeys fist on the end of a heaving line, they wouldn’t know how to do however, but would probably tell you it was illegal anyway and would struggle to put the official heaving line knot only in. That’s if they didn’t say what do you want a heaving line for, the last bloke put the ship alongside with the thrusters and we just handed the eye of the mooring line ashore. Times change and people with it. Cheers JWS.
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15th April 2018, 09:40 AM
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####only lost one over the wall but with a bit of a sea running the head of the person even when the vessel is doing only 8 or 9 knots soon disappears .....i would say in less than 3 or 4 mins the head of our victim was not visible .......a lifebelt thrown was many yards away from the guy so guess on some fancy cruise liner doing upwards of 18 plus knots it is soon now you see it now you dont unless the sea is like glass......the antics of the lifeboat crew on the vessel i was on was .....a sad picture.. both of the state of the lifeboat and the action of lowering away and loosing the falls as the ship was turning and underway ........one seaman injured and the second life boat having to be launched after the vessel lost most of its way...by then the guy in the water could have been anywhere.....cappy
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15th April 2018, 09:45 AM
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#15... most bodies do float Des how long for suppose it depends on numerous things. Probably the churning of the prop brought him back to the surface where he would probably carry on floating indefinitely. That’s why they had to be well weighted when burying at sea. It’s not a nice sight to see especially when they later get bloated. The passenger helicopter which came down off the Scilly Islands about 1980 had about 30 on board, pleased I was home on leave when recovering the bodies. Heard from my opposite number that t it wasn’t a pleasant job. Cheers JWS
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15th April 2018, 09:48 AM
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Just watched the News on this incident,and apparently the Lady was just a bit earlier playing some game,she then went up to the Deck,and to the railing where she got sick, her Husnabd (so I gather) tried to stop her but she took one or two steps backwards then just jumped over!
I feel sorry for her and the Family but why did she do it!??????
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15th April 2018, 09:52 AM
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####yes john when they have been in the water even a few days the crabs leave there mark as on one young boys body i found when i was thirteen in shields ..the boy was nine.....had been court in the rip tide ...a lifegard actully got him but had to let go as he was in peril of drowning himself ..i think it was four or five days later he was under a rock ledge .....cappy
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