Safety at sea now

I have often thought that Brian, am always aware when on the Isle of wight ferry, vans and lorries driving on every hour, no checks on contents etc. And having worked on them for a short while am aware of the crap emergency procedures, KT

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Originally Posted by happy daze john in oz

There has been much discussion on site as to the safety of ships at sea today, in particular cruise ships. Many now carry 3,000 plus passengers as well as crew so in an emergency there are a lot of people to move.
Many of the members consider the ships to be unsafe because of the numbers and the shape of the ships.

For most the depth below the water line is about 25 feet, but in this space is all the major weight of the ship, engines, fuel, water, stores, bilges etc. Consider a shuttlecock, all the weight is at the base with the centre hollow, very much the same with these ships.


As to major disasters at sea, the Titanic, Andrea Doria, Costa Concordia, though this was an act of stupidity that brought about the disaster. In peace time since WW2 the number of major disasters at sea involving passengers ships of any kind is very low. More aircraft dissasters have occured. The biggst risk of disasters at sea is the risk of fire, running aground is highly unlikely with modern equipment available. Engine failure can occur but as most of the modern ships have three generators so it would be something very difficult for all to go off line at the same time.

The order to abandon ship is something that would not would be taken lightly, many things must b etaken into consideration first. Proximity of land, other ships, availability of rescue should the ship be abandoned. With all the modern equipment on ships of today I doubt any ship would be in serious danger at any time.


There may be some members who will not agree with what I have stated, it is my opinion, but for those who have journeyed on a modern ship what I have stated may make sence.

But of course in the unlikely event that a ship had to be abandonded human servival preference will come to the fore. No mattre how skilled the crew, how well they are trained human survival instinct will over ride it. All the life boats and life rafts in the world will be of little value if mass hysteria takes over.

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Awakening.this Morn,to the ongoing Tragedy of the Ferry,on fire .in the Med.
Coincidence ,or What?

Interesting post typ??? however think 3 teams of 8 would be the 3 crews of the average sized cargo ship of today. Regardless of whatever is said about safety if it exceeds certain monetary limits it will be discarded on some trumped up excuse. The sea has always had its victims, the highest deaths used to be in the mining industry now defunct, then came the fishing industry now defunct then came ordinary shipping, which now has the honour of leading as the biggest loss of life among different industries. Seamen always knew the risks of going to sea as were well versed in weather conditions and the dangers of fires on board. As you say it is a different ball game when you have passengers on board who will be mostly landlubbers in most cases and probably terrified. You sound as though you have been a fireman at one time or have done the fire courses about the various things you mention. However there is nothing more frightening than a fire that you know you cant control and I sincerely hope all the passengers survive or if not that the death toll is not too big. Regards JS PS Just looked up your name to see how to spell and see you don't live too far away at Forestfield, I live down at Singleton so may have passed you in the street not known it at various times Cheers JS

Ref. to previous Typ. Looking back through this post see you were on The Western Legend. I was on there as an extra hand to take her back to Singapore. The regular skipper there was a bloke from Blaydon another Geordie, just cant remember his name at moment, and one of the gun mechanics was an old shipmate of mine, who actually had a drink with yesterday as is home over Xmas from Indonesia, Ken Bakewell also from Rockingham. Was only there for the run up. Think I may have been home off the Nordic Explorer on leave. So probably knew people you know. Cheers JS

Tony that name you are using now, is it a pacific Island moniker or a Maori name. Have sailed with a few Tonies but cant think which one you are if you are using that as a pseudonym and is another Tony I am thinking about you will know Capt Kong another pseudonym who was out here last year and looking for you. If however the other Tony you would be the one who went up the Persian Gulf. Anyhow you would probably know the gun mechanic I mentioned, I sailed with him 45 years ago and have kept in touch over the years he is 67 and threatening to retire, however is a long time out of the Engine room and has been doing consultancy work for the past 10 years or so. Was it one of the supply boats we were on together. Can you remember the Geordie skipper on the Legend who probably relieved you. He was divorced and his advice to me was don't ever think about it as financially you have to restart all over again. Lived in a little apartment in Rockingham. On flying home from Singapore that trip met 2 young ladies on plane who knew him very well , managed to get disentangled before meeting the wife in Perth airport. Bit mixed up this post if you let me know which ship will probably clarify the situation. Wasn't a Drill ship was it? Cheers JS. PS It doesn't matter which Tony as don't think I owed either any money. Sounds like that old English advert which twin has the Toni. Cheers John S

Hi! Gents
Pardon me intruding.
The mention of Blaydon,sent me straight to You Tube. A bonus. I ken the words properly now.Only joking!
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#49... Evan cant open the www but assume you are referring to the National Anthem of Cappy country "The Blaydon Races", he sings it every night before hitting the bunk, he would have told you the words if didn't know. Cheers John S

What has happened to Cappy, not heard from him for a long time, He said he was going to gate crash John Artons Christmas Party, but never showed up, The Nuns were missing him and he missed a good do.
Cheers
Brian.

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Originally Posted by Captain Kong

What has happened to Cappy, not heard from him for a long time, He said he was going to gate crash John Artons Christmas Party, but never showed up, The Nuns were missing him and he missed a good do.
Cheers
Brian.

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surprise surprise......i went dressed as a monk ....have just got back ......now i know .......were the BLUE NUN....comes from those girls sure know how to party ........and the mother superior.........the word superior is not good enogh for her.......rob arrived on wednesday .....but was knackered by xmas night.....some party .......plenty of goose and goosing to use a scouse term .....going to remember that party regards to all and a happy new year ....ps i never go out new years eve am loking after grandkids .....cant stand people throwing up and acting the r sole thats by 9 o clock.....just a little drink at home suits cappy and missus...regards to all ....can never remember will our colonial cousins have new year before or after us........suppose JSwill have before and after any way......regards cappy

Cappy every day is new years day to me, don't have to have an excuse to spew up, just blame Gwens cooking if do. Tried once drinking in the wardrobe but she found my hiding place so don't care anymore. They tell me Marys wooden leg is hollow and that's where you hide your stash. Cheers don't fall off your grand daddys Chair tomorrow night. Everyone now knows you sing the Blaydon Races before going to bed. All the best John S