carnival spirit 2 missing

[cappy]

but a real balls up in the boat the fowardfalls let go before the after and the ship still doing about4 knts the boat an old clinker built leaking like a sieve for a 2nd tripper it did not fill me with any confidence and just a slight swell at the time cappy

[j.sabourn]

Hope you had your water wings on Cappy. John Sabourn

[Tony Wilding]

not had personal experience of crew loss, my brother has on a Watts Watts ship, have an idea that was an Apprentice also, was on one of the 3 following Ships, Wanstead, Woolwich or Beaconsfield, was up FWD on lookout, just disappeared one night. i would imagine it to be quite difficult to fall from a purpose designed Cruise Ship, unless very drunk and climbing the rails.

[cappy]

by the look of this glad I wasn't an apprentice cappy

[cappy]

nowater wings john but my cheeks were clenched together cappy

[Doc Vernon]

The latest i have heard on this now is that the Guy dived in after the Girl to try and save her,but only to loose his own life as well!
Still however dont know how she managed to fall ! Or was she indeed pushed!
Sad isnt it!
Cheers

The above is apparently shown on the CCTV of the Ship

[cappy]

just thinking kong could take **** with him but no doubt he would have all his cousins with him and brian would be spotted doing the deed cappy

[Ivan Cloherty]

by the look of this glad I wasn't an apprentice cappy

I think Cappy that apprentices were pushed into doing things in which they had insufficient sea time experience to do the tasks asked of them, no account of age or experience was taken into consideration (in my experience), you were expected to do things that were the province of an EDH or AB and you still were only just aware of the sharp end from the blunt end. Lots of apprentices received some serious injuries but the attitude of those in charge was 'get over it'

Funny this apprentice theme arose, as I was just looking through some old papers and found my father's indentures from 1927, he served his time with Reardon Smiths and I noticed notations that he was paid overtime on a five month voyage of 2shillings and six pence (old money) not bad when his yearly stipend was 10 pounds per annum. In the 50's in PSNC we never got overtime, but when I joined Ropners as 3/m after finishing my time, the apprentices got overtime as did all officers, seemed the trampers valued their apprentices more than the Liner Companies. The reason I left PSNC was that promotion at that time was 'deadman's shoes' and I didn't fancy a long wait to move up the ladder. Best move I ever made seawise.

[cappy]

ivan you are certainly correct I always thought apprentices were overworked ................the apprenticehad an awful job neither fish nor fowl.................the mate was always shouting and the bosun only growled.......they never got to go ashore and get drunk like the rest....but only had to stay aboard and take another test.....a very hard and no fun life and never no there fate..........but you should not be bad to themfor one day theyd be mate..........regards cappy

[Bill Bland]

Read many years ago about a seaman who fell over the side on christmas day off Hoegh silverbeam and was picked up twenty seven hours latter. When on deck always kept a good lookout for anything in the water. Was on two ships late fiftys and the two bosuns walked over the side but on other ships I was not on the ships that they were on at time of incedent.