Heavy Lift vessels

[Pete Leonard (Bruno)]

Back in 1952 I sailed on the Empire Marshal which was a pupose built heavy lift vessel. It was owned by a London Greek company Pandellis. I believe they owned another identical vessel. They were built in Greenock, and as far as I know there were only four of this type built. The other two were bought by a Norwegian company and named Belocean and Beljean. The Belocean was on the same contract as us at the time,working for the US military, transporting equipment between Japan and Korea.The Empire Marshal was badly damaged by an explosion and fire in the engine room when we were in Masan. We were towed back to Nagasaki and paid off and flown home.
The object of this is to find if anyone knows the fate of this vessel or in fact any of the others mentioned.Or if there is anyone out there who served on the ship .
Pete Leonard

[Gulliver]

EMPIRE MARSHAL 7836 grt. blt. 11/45 at Greenock Dock Yard for Brit.Gov'ment. Single screw screw turbo-elec..
Subsequent History
EMPIRE MARSHAL 1945 -1954 Sold to Moller Line(U.K.).1955 re-engined,to Diesel) (- 55 BERMUDA TRADER(Trader Nav.Co.U.K.)
Wrecked 38.57.03N/139.49.05E 9.3.65 (within Sakata/Kita port) on voyage from Timaru-Sakata with timber.
No picture of Empire Marshall on Photoships,but one of her Greenock-built sister EMPIRE BYNG
http://www.photoship.co.uk/JAlbum%20...20Byng-01.html


BELOCEAN 7908 grt. blt. 6/47 Greenock Dock Yard single screw steam ship. Launched as EMPIRE CANUTE for British Gov‘ment)
Subsequent History
47- BELOCEAN (Belships Co Ltd Skibs A/S ,Oslo,Norway.- 64 SOUTHERN STAR (Panama)- 67 MARIE ANN(Phillipines)
　
BrokenUp Gadani Beach 19.9.76
No picture of Belocean,but a good one of her as SOUTHERN STAR here:-
http://www.photoship.co.uk/JAlbum%20...20Star-01.html
　
　
　
　
　
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BELJEANNE- 7843 grt blt.1/47. SINGLE SCREW steam ship.Built by Vickers Armstrongs @ High Walker Yard.
Subsequent History.
Launched as EMPIRE ETHELBERT] for British Gov’ment. -47 BELJEANNE (Belships Co Ltd Skibs A/S ,Oslo,(Norway.)- 64 SOUTHERN CROSS (Panama)- 66 SOUTHERN HOPE (Panama)- 68 VIRGINIA SECOND(Phillipines)
Broken Up Aioi,Japan . 1.69

http://www.photoship.co.uk/JAlbum%20...jeanne-01.html　
　
For the record :-Other Greenock-built similar ships,i.e. consecutive shipyard numbers/tonnages were: EMPIRE WALLACE and CLAN CUMMING).And from the Vickers Armstrongs Yard the EMPIRE ATHELSTAN.


Best Regards
Gulliver

[Pete Leonard (Bruno)]

Hello Gulliver
Thank you for that most comprehensive response to my query about the Empire Marshall. I wasn't that fond of the old tub but it was interesting to know her fate. I'm not surprised that they changed the engine, the last time I saw that engine room it was a complete mess. I had fonder memories of Japan. I think she had a jinx though. We had the No.1 jumbo refurbished in Kobe one time and on completion the mate decided to take over and put the winch for the topping lift in reverse when it was housed. This resulted in it snapping off like a carrot and falling into the hold. It was only the cabling that saved it from going straight through the bottom. I do have a snap of that incident if you would be interested.
Cheers
Pete

[Ryan Plut]

Back in 1952 I sailed on the Empire Marshal which was a pupose built heavy lift vessel. It was owned by a London Greek company Pandellis. I believe they owned another identical vessel. They were built in Greenock, and as far as I know there were only four of this type built. The other two were bought by a Norwegian company and named Belocean and Beljean. The Belocean was on the same contract as us at the time,working for the US military, transporting equipment between Japan and Korea.The Empire Marshal was badly damaged by an explosion and fire in the engine room when we were in Masan. We were towed back to Nagasaki and paid off and flown home.
The object of this is to find if anyone knows the fate of this vessel or in fact any of the others mentioned.Or if there is anyone out there who served on the ship .
Pete Leonard

Hello Pete,
I happened to include a passing mention of the HLV BELJEAN in my second novel, The Belfair Pinch, about a ship (the HLV Belfair) a sister ship to the HLV Belpareil and HLV Beljeanne. She’s 414 feet long by 68 feet wide and draws 33 feet when loaded. 10,446 dead weight tons, all up. She’s twin screw, has a cruising speed of nine knots and is capable of eleven knots. Built 1926, and equipped with three cranes, each able to lift 100 tons.
You can find a link to my website in my post titled The Adventures of a British Merchant Navy Captain, which you can find in the Recommended Books forum.
Ryan Plut, author

[Doc Vernon]

Hello Ryan
Although a good reply , i dont know if it will be seen at all, as its a very old Post from 2010, and dont know if the Poster is still around?
Cheers

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[Ivan Cloherty]

Hello Pete,
10,446 dead weight tons, ALL UP .
Ryan Plut, author

Just curious 'all up' what does that mean exactly

[Doc Vernon]

I guess you know really Ivan, but in case will this not explain the All Up ! LOL
cHEERS

What is deadweight tonnage? Deadweight Tonnage Explained (sinay.ai)

[j.sabourn]

#7 I am sure Ivan is perfectly aware of what deadweight tonnage is Vernon , it is one of the first things a cargo ship mate learns among many other things . There are other tonnages but most refer to cubic , such as gross and nett , there are others under deck tonnages open or closed shelter deck tonnages , Suez and Panama Canal tonnages etc etc. However to any seaman the deadweight tonnage is what most seaman refer to when talking about ships , when talking about passenger liners and their large gross tonnages means very little to the working seaman. Your description taken from a journal no doubt is quite correct for the layman and all he needs to know but to the mate of a cargo ship is a bit more involved. Ivan with being involved with charter parties and such will have different knowledge of different vessels . Cheers JS
PS if a layman asked me what deadweight tonnage was I would simply say the difference between the load displacement and the light displacement expressed in my time in long tons. This would probably involve further questions on what they were also. Cheers JS

[Ivan Cloherty]

I guess you know really Ivan, but in case will this not explain the All Up ! LOL
cHEERS

What is deadweight tonnage? Deadweight Tonnage Explained (sinay.ai)

YES Doc, I know every description of deadweight tonnage, BUT what I wanted was Mr PLUT'S description of it, now YOU have given him a way out, sometimes I despair!

I had my reasons

[Doc Vernon]

Sorry Ivan , did not mean to Spoil the issue! Wasnt aware that you wanted that from him. Why despair Ivan, its not a grave error!
Cheers