My Grandfather

[Jayne Jones]

Hello, I have recently found out who
My grandfather was and that he served in the Merchant Navy during WW2. His name was William Harold Lawlor and he was born in 1909 in Newport, South Wales, UK. I have paid the National Archives to do a search for him but they can’t find any records. All I know is that he was in New York in March 1942 as I have a copy of his Alien Registration Receipt card granting shore leave and stamped March 2nd 1942. Have I reached a dead end or can I still find out any information about him? Many thanks.

[Doc Vernon]

Hello Jayne
Thank you for th Posting, it seems that we have yet another mystery here!
I say this as i have looked quite extensively through all my usual channels , but like the Archives not come up with the name , i had also tried Lawler , just in case as errors were made in those Years.

Surname	Given Name		District	Volume	Page
Births Jun 1909
Lawlor	William Harold		Newport, M.	11a	293

I dont know what info you had given to the Archives for your Search, however was it for a CR10 or CRS10 at all.

There could still be some record of his at the Southampton Maritime Archives, as they hold many many Original Records there still.
May be worth giving them a try by Email and giving as much info as you can.

Our collections

Good Luck

PS Can you upload that Certificate in case it may help!?
Thanks



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[Jayne Jones]

Hello Jayne
Thank you for th Posting, it seems that we have yet another mystery here!
I say this as i have looked quite extensively through all my usual channels , but like the Archives not come up with the name , i had also tried Lawler , just in case as errors were made in those Years.

Surname	Given Name		District	Volume	Page
Births Jun 1909
Lawlor	William Harold		Newport, M.	11a	293

I dont know what info you had given to the Archives for your Search, however was it for a CR10 or CRS10 at all.

There could still be some record of his at the Southampton Maritime Archives, as they hold many many Original Records there still.
May be worth giving them a try by Email and giving as much info as you can.

Our collections

Good Luck

PS Can you upload that Certificate in case it may help!?
Thanks



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Hi, many thanks for taking the time to respond. I will upload the certificate now. I also found a newspaper articles referring to his brother’s death. He was also in the merchant navy and was presumed dead after his ship was sunk by a u boat. His name was Arthur David Lawlor. I will upload what I have. The National Archives said they searched everthing and couldn’t find him I have a photograph that could either be William or Arthur. I think it’s William as he’s in uniform. The photograph of Arthur in the newspaper is in civies. Wouldn’t they have used the photo of him in uniform if it was him?

[Jayne Jones]

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[Des Taff Jenkins]

Hi Jayne
In your pictures one was in the Royal Navy by his uniform, if that one is your Father then he will have no records in the National Archives.
Do you have his discharge book with any ships names?
Des

[Jayne Jones]

Hi Jayne
In your pictures one was in the Royal Navy by his uniform, if that one is your Father then he will have no records in the National Archives.
Do you have his discharge book with any ships names?
Des

Hi Des, I don’t have any more documents. When I found out who my grandfather was, I was able to make contact with the daughter of his cousin. He lived with them in the last years of his life and these were amongst his possessions. I wondered if that was a Royal Navy uniform but in the newspaper article, it says he was in the Merchant Navy. We can’t be sure that is him but it is one of his photographs. It’s odd that we can’t find any record of him with the Merchant Navy though.

[Doc Vernon]

Hello Jayne
Yes as said by Des, if that is your Grand Dad in uniform then he was in Royal navy.
Arthur i will have to look and see ??

Thanks for the uploads!
Cheers

[Doc Vernon]

Arthur was on the Ship Adellen, when it was Torpedoed and Sunk 1942.

Motor Vessel ADELLEN built by Blythswood Shipbuilding Co Ltd in 1930 for Adellen Shipping Co. Ltd., London - Bernuth, Lembcke & Co., New York, Tanker

There is a Document on FMP , which is a Paid site, you can use it on a View per Basis as well.

Actually there are three Entries for Athur
Cheers

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[Jayne Jones]

Arthur was on the Ship Adellen, when it was Torpedoed and Sunk 1942.

Motor Vessel ADELLEN built by Blythswood Shipbuilding Co Ltd in 1930 for Adellen Shipping Co. Ltd., London - Bernuth, Lembcke & Co., New York, Tanker

There is a Document on FMP , which is a Paid site, you can use it on a View per Basis as well.

Actually there are three Entries for Athur
Cheers

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Hi Doc,

Yes I found some information related to Arthur. What references have you found?

[Doc Vernon]

Only showing the Links as Above Jayne! He was Merchant Navy.
And the Ship he was on when he died at Sea!
Cheers

I ahve just downloaded one of them at my own cost, no matter.
Cheers

Not much really so dont know what the others will hold!?

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