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    ' Patrick Cornelius: I am trying to trace a John Thomas Johnson born 1884 do not know date of death. Possibly worked for a company with iniatials H D I Co'

    Hi Patrick, Welcome to the site. Could you tell us please where John was born and any other details you may have. Thank you.

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    I believe he may have connections to the Brixham area as the enquiry came from there. The shipping company house flag was a cream oblong with a red border and red diagonals. The lettering was in black with the H in the top triangle, D in the mast triangle, the I in the fly triangle and the Co in the bottom triagle.

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    Hi Patrick, Due to process of elimination and to quicken the search do you have John's position on ship or his parents/wife's name for cross reference purposes?

    Re Flag detail and Ship's Company initials, hoping other more knowledgable members can help with that otherwise it will be a long haul for me

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    Only one so far that is near Born 1882

    Last name

    Johnson


    First name(s)

    John Thomas


    Year Of Birth

    1882


    Year Of Death


    Year

    1921


    Record set

    1921 Census Of England & Wales


    Location

    Brixham, Totnes, Devon, England


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    #4,Vernon, As there were over 120+ John Johnson's on FMP born between 1881-1884 and none for the MN is the reason I was waiting for Patrick to reply to my#3.

    From Ancestry:
    Think this may be the correct John Thomas Johnson born Manchester Lancashire 1882, living with wife and inlaws, at:

    1, Sea View Terrace,N Fwizeham? Brixham, Devon and listed as a Deep Sea Fisherman. Employment status WORKER 4

    Still hoping members can suggest the flag quest.

    UK, Royal Naval Reserve Service Records Index, 1860-1955

    From https://discovery.nationalarchives.g...ils/r/D8511448


    Name John Thomas Johnson
    Birth Date 29 Aug 1881
    Birth Place Manchester, Lancashire
    Date 1908-1955
    Service Number DA 3907




    From Ancestry: Patrick, Hoping Hugh ex RN & MN member will confirm if the following is correct.

    The UK, Navy Lists, 1888-1970:

    94231216_3.jpg


    Think this is the Lord George Vessel in question?

    LORD GEORGE (ex-ST. GEORGE), hired trawler, Adty No 688. Built 1905, 229grt, Grimsby-reg GY.83. Armament: 1-6pdr AA. In service 2.15-1919 as minesweeper. Served as CEDRIC in WW2.

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    There is one more for 1919 but will have to search as not in numerical order like the two above!

    Will leave the last for Hugh if he doesn't mind and has the time as records now jumping from month to month for January 1919 then reverts back betwwen 1914 1916, 1917, 1918.
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    Hi Marian.
    I have a page of over three hundred coloured ships flags and funnels it is not listed on there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Cornelius View Post
    I believe he may have connections to the Brixham area as the enquiry came from there. The shipping company house flag was a cream oblong with a red border and red diagonals. The lettering was in black with the H in the top triangle, D in the mast triangle, the I in the fly triangle and the Co in the bottom triagle.
    If you have some time to go through this list you may get lucky!?
    I have been to page 24 and as yet not found the Flag! But i dont have the time sorry!
    Cheers

    House Flags and Funnels of Steam Vessels – Collections & Research (mysticseaport.org)

    And here is Pic of Ship Lord George


    Anyone ?? What was the Shipping Company name for the above shown Ship, Black Funnel with White Band and the letter V ?? tHANKS
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    Search for it under Grimsby trawlers, it looks like GY83.

    In the 50's Lord Line sailed out of Hull and their vessels would have an 'H' letter preceeding the number, my first trawler was H402 built 1914, but that is a 1922 picture and even I don't go back that far ! But I don't think Lord Line had a 'V' on the funnel


    Lord Line Trawlers was a Red funnel with a white band and a black top, so reading from the top was black white and red
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marian Gray View Post
    From Ancestry: Patrick, Hoping Hugh ex RN & MN member will confirm if the following is correct.

    The UK, Navy Lists, 1888-1970:

    94231216_3.jpg
    Hi Marian,
    I can confirm that you have the correct man in the Navy List that corresponds to the RNR record you have found.

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    Here is his medal file.
    He was awarded the 1914/15 Star, Victory Medal and the British War Medal.

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