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    Good day everyone

    Can anyone assist me please in finding a Merchant ships log or possible crew list for WW2 1942 -1945
    The ship is the Merchant Atlantian SS Ships number 149686 built 1928
    I have contacted national Archives for my fathers pouch and after taking a ridiculous fee they said they cannot find it as may have been destroyed
    So I am reaching out to the experienced and wise to seek advice
    Question is, it sailed out of Liverpool but trying to locate its voyage and crew during this period
    Fathers registration for the Merchant was R310792
    Any advice or assistance gratefully received

    Kind Regards

    Salty

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    Good Day to you Salty.

    Sorry to hear that your father's documents may have been destroyed.I had a look in the CLIP (Crew List Index Project)for the years 39-42,but it just refers me to the National Archives,Kew and the various documents in BT381-which is what you already know.


    Yes,the ss ATLANTIAN (149686 of 1928)was a T .J. Harrison (Charente SS Co) ship from Liverpool. An info link HERE

    I am posting for your info a Convoy Web Movement List for Atlantian in the War Years 1942-45;-

    Kind Regards
    Graham
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    SS ATLANTIAN 149686


    Halifax, Dec 3, 1941, , HX.163 (Halifax - Liverpool), , Liverpool, Dec 20, 1941,

    Liverpool, Jan 6, 1942, , ON.54 (Liverpool - Dispersed), , ,

    , , Independent, , Charleston Sc, Jan 26, 1942,

    , , Independent, , Savannah, Jan 28, 1942,

    Charleston Sc, Jan 28, 1942, , Independent, , ,

    Savannah, Feb 2, 1942, , Independent, , Halifax, Feb 7, 1942,

    Halifax, Feb 10, 1942, , SC.69 (Halifax - Liverpool), , Liverpool, Feb 27, 1942,

    Liverpool, Apr 2, 1942, , OS.24 (Liverpool - Freetown), , ,
    , Independent, , Capetown, May 3, 1942,

    Capetown, May 8, 1942, , Independent, , Durban, May 11, 1942,

    Durban, Jun 6, 1942, , Independent, , Aden, Jun 19, 1942,

    Aden, Jun 21, 1942, , Independent, , Suez, Jun 26, 1942,

    Port Said, Jun 30, 1942, , Independent, , Alexandria, Jul 1, 1942,

    Alexandria, Jul 1, 1942, , Independent, , Port Said, Jul 2, 1942,

    Suez, Aug 5, 1942, , Independent, , Aden, Aug 11, 1942,

    Aden, Aug 12, 1942, , Independent, , Colombo, Aug 21, 1942,

    Colombo, Aug 22, 1942, , Independent, , Vizag, Aug 27, 1942,

    Vizag, Aug 27, 1942, , Independent, , Calcutta, Aug 30, 1942,

    Calcutta, Sep 20, 1942, , Independent, , Madras, Sep 26, 1942,

    Madras, Sep 29, 1942, , Independent, , Colombo, Oct 2, 1942,

    Colombo, Oct 2, 1942, , Independent, , ,

    Durban, Oct 28, 1942, , Independent, , Montevideo, Nov 20, 1942,

    Montevideo, Nov 24, 1942, , Independent, , Balboa, Dec 15, 1942,

    Cristobal, Dec 20, 1942, , ZG.16 (Cristobal - Guantanamo), , Guantanamo, Dec 24, 1942,

    Guantanamo, Dec 24, 1942, , GN.30 (Guantanamo - NYC), , New York, Jan 1, 1943,

    New York, Jan 6, 1943, , HX.222 (NYC - Liverpool), , Belfast Lough, Jan 22, 1943,

    Belfast Lough, Jan 22, 1943, , BB.256 (Belfast Lough - M Haven), , Avonmouth, Jan 23, 1943,

    Avonmouth, Feb 4, 1943, , Independent, , Liverpool, Feb 6, 1943,

    Liverpool, Mar 9, 1943, , ON.172 (Liverpool - NYC), , New York, Mar 26, 1943,

    New York, Apr 2, 1943, , NG.353 (NYC - Guantanamo), , ,

    Guantanamo, Apr 9, 1943, , GAT.55 (Guantanamo - Trinidad), , ,

    Guaira, Apr 15, 1943, , GAT.55 (Guantanamo - Trinidad), , ,

    , , Independent, , Guaira, Apr 21, 1943,

    , , Independent, , Cartagena (col), Apr 23, 1943,

    Cartagena (col), May 13, 1943, , Independent, , New Orleans, May 18, 1943,

    South West Passage, Jun 6, 1943, , HK.190 (Galveston Bar - Key West), , Key West, Jun 8, 1943,

    Key West, Jun 8, 1943, , KN.245 (Key West - NYC), , New York, Jun 14, 1943,

    New York, Jun 15, 1943, , HX.244 (NYC - Liverpool), , Liverpool, Jun 30, 1943,

    Liverpool, Jul 16, 1943, , ON.193 (Liverpool - NYC), , New York, Jul 30, 1943,

    New York, Aug 23, 1943, , Independent, , Hampton Roads, Aug 24, 1943,

    Hampton Roads, Aug 27, 1943, , UGS.16 (Hampton Rds - Port Said), , Alexandria, Sep 23, 1943,

    Alexandria, Oct 11, 1943, , Independent, , Port Said, Oct 12, 1943,

    Suez, Oct 13, 1943, , Independent, , Aden, Oct 18, 1943,

    Aden, Oct 21, 1943, , AKD.4 (Aden - Durban), , Beira, Nov 6, 1943,

    Beira, Nov 16, 1943, , AKD.5 (Aden - Durban), , Durban, Nov 19, 1943,

    Durban, Nov 29, 1943, , Independent, , Port Elizabeth, Nov 30, 1943,

    Port Elizabeth, Dec 3, 1943, , Independent, , Capetown, Dec 5, 1943,

    Capetown, Dec 11, 1943, , Independent, , Freetown, Dec 24, 1943,

    Freetown, Jan 1, 1944, , SL.145 (Freetown - r/v WITH MKS 36), , Casablanca, Jan 11, 1944,

    Casablanca, Jan 11, 1944, , SL.145MK (r/v SL 145/MKS 36 - Liverpool), , Milford Haven, Jan 24, 1944,

    Milford Haven, Jan 29, 1944, , WP.469 (M Haven - Portsmouth), , Southampton, Jan 31, 1944,

    , , PW.487 (Portsmouth - M Haven), , Cardiff, Mar 8, 1944,

    Cardiff, Mar 12, 1944, , Independent, , Belfast Lough, Mar 13, 1944,

    Belfast Lough, Mar 15, 1944, , OS.71KM (Liverpool - Convoy Split), , ,

    , , OS.71 (ex OS 71/KMS 45 - Freetown), , Freetown, Apr 4, 1944,

    Freetown, Apr 7, 1944, , STL.17 (Freetown - Takoradi), , ,

    , , Independent, , Capetown, Apr 21, 1944,

    Capetown, Apr 22, 1944, , CD.38 (Capetown - Durban), , Durban, Apr 26, 1944,

    Durban, May 8, 1944, , Independent, , Reunion, May 14, 1944,

    Reunion, May 16, 1944, , Independent, , Mauritius, May 18, 1944,

    Mauritius, Jun 14, 1944, , Independent, , Basra, Jun 28, 1944,

    Basra, Jul 26, 1944, , Independent, , Karachi, Jul 31, 1944,

    Karachi, Aug 8, 1944, , Independent, , Beira, Aug 25, 1944,

    Beira, Sep 3, 1944, , Independent, , Durban, Sep 7, 1944,

    Durban, Sep 11, 1944, , Independent, , Capetown, Sep 15, 1944,

    Capetown, Sep 21, 1944, , Independent, , Freetown, Oct 4, 1944,

    Freetown, Oct 9, 1944, , SL.173 (Freetown - r/v WITH MKS 64), , ,

    , , SL.173MK (r/v SL 173/MKS 64 - Liverpool), , Liverpool, Oct 28, 1944,

    Liverpool, Dec 9, 1944, , ON.271 (Southend - NYC), , New York, Dec 28, 1944,

    New York, Jan 1, 1945, , Independent, , Curacao, Jan 9, 1945,

    Curacao, Jan 21, 1945, , Independent, , Trinidad, Jan 23, 1945,

    Trinidad, Jan 31, 1945, , Independent, , Barbados, Feb 1, 1945,

    Barbados, Feb 6, 1945, , Independent, , Demerara, Feb 8, 1945,

    Demerara, Feb 14, 1945, , Independent, , Trinidad, Feb 16, 1945,

    Trinidad, Feb 24, 1945, , Independent, , New York, Mar 7, 1945,

    New York, Mar 9, 1945, , HX.343 (NYC - Liverpool), , Southend, Mar 25, 1945,

    Southend, Apr 23, 1945, , TAM.147 (Southend - Antwerp), , Antwerp, Apr 24, 1945,

    Antwerp, May 20, 1945, , ATM.160 (Antwerp - Southend), , Downs, May 21, 1945,

    Southend, May 21, 1945, , TBC.165 (Southend - M Haven), , Milford Haven, May 24, 1945,

    Milford Haven, May 24, 1945, , Independent, , Liverpool, May 25, 1945,

    Liverpool, Jun 10, 1945, , Independent, , Trinidad, Jun 29, 1945,

    St. Lucia, Jun 29, 1945, , Independent, , ,

    Trinidad, Jul 8, 1945, , Independent, , Curacao, Jul 10, 1945,

    Curacao, Jul 21, 1945, , Independent, , Trinidad, Jul 23, 1945,

    Trinidad, Jul 27, 1945, , Independent, , Barbados, Jul 28, 1945,

    Barbados, Aug 6, 1945, , Independent, , Hampton Roads, Aug 13, 1945,

    Hampton Roads, Aug 14, 1945, , Independent, , London, Aug 28, 1945,

    Southend, Sep 20, 1945, , Independent, , Liverpool, Sep 24, 1945,

    Liverpool, Nov 13, 1945, , Independent, , Vera Cruz, Dec 6, 1945,

    , , Independent, , Vera Cruz, Dec 6, 1945,

    , , Independent, , Vera Cruz, Dec 24, 1945,

    Vera Cruz, Dec 24, 1945, , Independent, , Tampa, Dec 25, 1945,

    Tampa, Dec 28, 1945, , Independent, , New Orleans, Dec 30, 1945.




    Data supplied by Don Kindell, extracted from the late Arnold Hague's papers with the kind permission of Mrs.Gill Hague









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    Hello George
    As you mention no name , i presume this would be his Pouch of which you say there is no Record ?? Very strange as why woould there be an entry for him at the NA. I feel that possibly they have made an error in searching ?
    As well there is his CRS10 which would be held ther as well, that would hold all his Sea Searvice Records!
    So my advice is to write to them with the info again , and include as much as possible , with all their replies as well.
    Also include the References for his Seamans Pouch, plus the CRS10 Reference which i will post here shortly once found!
    Cheers
    Seamans Pouch Link
    R310792 SMITH F G 16/08/1911 NOTTINGHAM | The National Archives

    NB Added This would more than likely be the Link for his CRS10

    Smith F G to Smith Frederick George Peter | The National Archives

    Cheers keep us updated !

    The sailing Log that graham kindly submitted is at the NA and can be downloaded for free if needed!
    Ship Name: Atlantian Gross Tonnage: 6549 | The National Archives

    Crew list for the Ship mentioned in 1945 Link here , from NA. Costing??

    149671; 149679; 149682; 149685; 149686; 149687; 149696 | The National Archives

    Finally George there is the last resort of Emailing the Southampton Archives, and asking the question, and although it does say Seaman Serving after 1941 would or may have been moved to the Kew Archives, it is a possibility that some records are still in Southampton?
    I have in the psat come across this with a few other people searching for records!
    But hopefully the NA may still prove valuable!
    Cheers

    Central index of Merchant Seamen (southampton.gov.uk)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Graham Shaw View Post
    Good Day to you Salty.

    Sorry to hear that your father's documents may have been destroyed.I had a look in the CLIP (Crew List Index Project)for the years 39-42,but it just refers me to the National Archives,Kew and the various documents in BT381-which is what you already know.




    Kind Regards
    Graham
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    Hi Graham
    Nothing much about this but the BT382 relates to the CRS10 and not the Seamans Pouch, so there may still be something in his CRS10. The Seamans pouch Records as you may well know are in BT372 Of course BT381 is what already is known , and thats unfortunately not much for the poster!
    cHEERS
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    Such an excellent history posting by Graham Shaw. Just thought I would add a few notes about the ATLANTIAN as written in Graeme Cubbin’s magnificent book “Harrison’s of Liverpool” page 182.
    Referenced as ship number 231. 1934-1951. With good photograph of vessel.
    Quote:- .” 7. 2, 1942. Successfully fought a night engagement with a German submarine in the approaches to Halifax, Nova Scotia. In June , Second Officer C.A,V. Daly received the King’s Commendation for his part in the action”
    The vessel was ultimately sold to Japan interests in 1951, renamed “HAKUZAN MARU” and scrapped in Japan in1964.
    Didn’t a Japanese plastic ship model manufacturer is a model kit of that vessel ? Sold here in the States.
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    Thank you all for the invaluable information
    Sorry for the late reply as Hospital appointments seem to take over now days
    I will be away for three weeks and will study all the info on my return
    I will update the forum on what information I receive
    Thank you again

    Regards

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    Definitely a Harrison Boat......2 Fat 1 lean Atlantian-01.jpgAtlantian-02.jpgAtlantian-02.jpg

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    Thank you so much, I once sent away for a photo but when it came it was the wrong ship so may thanks again
    I would love to see a copy of the ships log for 1944/5
    Not too sure where to find it so any advice most welcome

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    George
    I am not sure as to what the NA Record holds for the Ship, but i had posted th Link for the Movements, have you looked at that yet! You can View the Files Free , just have to join the NA , which is also free.
    Then you just follow the Prompts and Download the Files! It is 3.5 MB
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    HI Thank you I will check and have a search
    Been away for 3 weeks and only just logged back on
    Thanks again

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