WWII and CRS 10 form

[Patricia Meiring]

I would be grateful if members can assist me with the following questions related to my father’s C.R.S. 10 form.

Is C 46 the same as C.R.S. 46 which is - return to unit of a released man

Under “other qualifications” what does “V’ mean? The date listed is during WW2 before my father departed on P.L.M. 13 as chief engineer for the Mediterranean.

What does the number ZA 00 00 00 A signify? (Edited actual Number for Security Reasons )

During WW2 were the following ships armed? Were the crews trained in the use of machine guns and rifles?

PLM 13 - OFFICIAL NUMBER 174321

EMPIRE LORENZO - OFFICIAL NUMBER 168948

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Thankyou in anticipation of your assistance.

Patricia Meiring

[Doc Vernon]

Is C 46 the same as C.R.S. 46 which is - return to unit of a released man Yes as far as i can assertain through the Archives.

PLM 13 - OFFICIAL NUMBER 174321 Yes Armed Merchant Ship

EMPIRE LORENZO - OFFICIAL NUMBER 168948 Yes British Armed Catapult Armed Merchant Ship

Other questions not sure of , i am sure there will be others to fill those in ?
Cheers


Could you perhaps upload the Document with that on, it may open some Doors!
Thanks

[Ivan Cloherty]

What does the number ZA 00 00 00 A signify?


Patricia Meiring

This your UK National Insurance number, given you at birth and stays with you throughout your life, may I respectfully suggest that Doc permanently removes this number from site, as any outsider, with it being a real NHI number may use it for fraudulent purposes, we never know, just an observation.

[Doc Vernon]

Up to the lady in Question at tis point Ivan.
Dont think it would cause too much of an issue though with it being a very old one ?
However i do take your point on this!
Cheers

[j.sabourn]

As regards your query about ships being armed... it was my belief in the early part of the war at least when under the Geneva Convention that the sinking of an unarmed merchant ship was taboo and the crew had to have ample warning to abandon. Later it was allowable to carry a certain caliber of artillery for self defence as long as this gun could not fire forward of the beam , otherwise it became a warship or armed merchant cruiser and was fair game. Like all such agreements I don’t think they were adhered to and sinking on sight was accepted as the norm. I have never studied the law of combat on the sea , some may have and will be more accurate in their reply. Cheers JS

[Patricia Meiring]

Thankyou for your comment Ivan - I am happy to have the number deleted from your site.
With Kind Regards, Patricia

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Thankyou for this information JS.

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Thankyou for your comment - I am happy for this number to be deleted from the site.

[Ivan Cloherty]

Up to the lady in Question at tis point Ivan.
Dont think it would cause too much of an issue though with it being a very old one ?
However i do take your point on this!
Cheers

Very similar to mine both in age and numbers, and I'm still kicking Doc, to the dismay of many.

Patricia

Guns aboard MN ships, very sparse aboard MN ships during the first 18 months of WWII, in fact many were fitted with wooden guns on the poop deck, don't think they fooled or put-off many U-Boat commanders, others were fitted with 1919 vintage Japanese AA (anti-Aircraft) guns (where did they get those?) which were useless aboard ship as they could not deflect beyond 120 degrees thus not being able to aim at a submarine. We had an in depth discussion about the subject some years ago, but I am not a track and trace person so rely heavily on my fading memory of what others may have written

[happy daze john in oz]

AS to the taking of unarmed merchant ships, the Germans it appears had no problem with that.
As to warning, none in the majority of cases.

My grandfather was on a ship done in such a manner in WW, no warning just a torpedo amidships.
He was one of the lucky one left on a life raft for four days before being picked up.

No gentleman's agreement from fritz then.

[Keith Tindell]

I read in a book regarding torpedoing in WW2, and apparently, if true, initially the German submarine did help the crew in lifeboats, and on one occasion were towing some of the boats to safer water, nearer land, and came under attack from aircraft, so after that it was no hols barred. as said don't know if this has been documented anywhere, kt

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Further to above found this


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laconia_incident

[Patricia Meiring]

Thankyou for this very interesting post Ivan.
Kind Regards,
Patricia

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Thankyou for this information doc.