Sea chest and painting information request

[Neil Fairman]

Hi Graham,
I was so hoping that the signal flags could identify the ships owners, a date for when the Airlie was painted on the inside of the sea chest's lid and then by a process of elimination provide a date for Edward Coleman being on the vessel. I don't know if it may be of help but the Belgium artist John Henry Mohrmann did a painting of the Airlie called the 'Airlie at Sea'. Maybe he painted the picture of the ship the Airlie on the inside of Edward's sea chest lid! It is quite a detailed painting after all! Many thanks Neil

[Keith at Tregenna]

Can you add a pic / JPEG rather than PDF.

Would hope to pass onto others that may assist.

Keith.

Would like to assist but, would need an an actual JPEG / PIC.

Many I would ask of more etc,would pos not understand PDF etc.

I may attempt a screen shot if all else fails.

K.

[Neil Fairman]

Hi Keith,
Desperately trying to change the PDF to a JPEG! I'm afraid it's not happening. Could anyone please send Keith the images of the signal flags as a JPEG. The information that the forum has so far provided are fantastic. Many thanks Neil.

[Ivan Cloherty]

Hi Graham,
I was so hoping that the signal flags could identify the ships owners

The four-flag fly will not identify the owners, it is the ship's identification signal allocated to that ship under its current name at the time of them being flown. The four-flag will change if the vessel's name is changed, it will not indicate the owners, that is ascertained from knowing the vessel's name. Has as already been noted the flags are NSRJ and British ships always began with G or M.

[Keith at Tregenna]

Hi Keith,
Desperately trying to change the PDF to a JPEG! I'm afraid it's not happening. Could anyone please send Keith the images of the signal flags as a JPEG. The information that the forum has so far provided are fantastic. Many thanks Neil.

Thanks, pic may help - hope to ask others that may know more / assist further etc.

K.

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[j.sabourn]

It will not do as you say Ivan it it will indicate its nationality however, which it’s ensign should also do . In my era of British Shipping I was always on ships beginning with G , the only one I. Particularly remember was GRDF my first one the Avonmoor . JS

A lot of people rely on funnel markings to identify a vessels owners. To the best of my knowledge there is no legal binding for any shipowner to have one. I even made one up for one particular owner . I would have thought the only legality of such was if the owner had taken out a patent on the insignia where the rights of ownership would have applied. There was a case. In our time between Blue Star line and Newcastle brown ale at one time never did find out how far it went. There are still many ships with a just plain black funnel. JS.

The law about flying an ensign is still there but is often ignored and the law does in most cases does not follow up with the punitive fines , which they should , and the fines increased to match today’s cost of living. JS

[Keith at Tregenna]

To often, some said, stops much yet, touch wood
more will be found.

K.

[Doc Vernon]

This list from my Link gives the dates of Crew Lists only, you will have to Email the Archives in Canada to find out and get the list you want
Cheers

Official_No:		72545
1876:		E2
1879:		E2
1880:		E2
1881:		E2
1882:		E2
1883:		E2
1884:		E2
1886:		E2
1887:		E2
1888:		E2
1889:		E2
1890:		E2
1891:		E2
1892:		E2
1893:		E2
1897:		E2
1898:		E2
1899:		E2

[Keith at Tregenna]

Flag is shown on the PDF. K.

Thanks Doc for the JPEG / Pic image uploaded,
will try now for more info.

K.

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[Doc Vernon]

I enclose images of the Airlie's signal flags and the star (in PDF formatting). I hope that these may help identify the owner(s) of the vessel at the time Edward Coleman sailed upon it. Any information would be greatly appreciated.

Attachment 32937Attachment 32938Attachment 32939

Only see the Star ?? What was the Signal Flag then in Picture if you have it please!

Just for interest
Nautical Flag Guide - Beaufort Online

Category:Superb (ship, 1875) - Wikimedia Commons


Added

OK now got the Pic with the Flags can work on them.
Cheers

Airlie S Ship.jpg

Her Flags a wee bit larger

Airlie Flags.JPG