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    What exactly constitutes “deep sea”. I never considered a run up the Lakes to be deep sea, am I wrong? I generally looked at any trip south of the equator as deep sea.
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    Duke what I remember of up the lakes and the locals both American and Canadian, we were called Saltys. JS

    Myself I would call deep sea was whenever you crossed the 100 fathom line. JS
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    Well Duke, When trawling off Bear Island in the Arctic I guess the water was pretty deep and it was no where near the equator, but it was known as 'Distant water trawling' and not deep sea trawling. Anything outside Home trade limits was considered deep sea and then only to differentiate it from the seamen's parlance of coasting, because many on here will have been coasting on deep sea ships, signing on for a , Liverpool to Hull for example just to deliver her to a drydock or extended loading port. You crossed some pretty deep water to get to the Lakes, which themselves are not shallow.

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    Another way to describe it could be , You arrived back from say the far east on a Bluey at Gladstone dock Liverpool with the intention of joining her 3 weeks later while she discharged her far east cargo and loaded around the UK & EU ports (Coasting) You then re joined her at possibly Vittoria dock Birkenhead and took her (Deep sea) for another 4/5 month trip.

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    #3. That would come sooner for the likes of Ivan and me , so maybe we were middle trade. Out of your depth they used to call it. Most people in life find themselves in that predicament sometime in their 3 score and 10 . Once past that however you can always blame Al Simers you know the bloke who can’t put a liverpool locking splice in a mooring rope. ? JS.
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    #5.. coming down or up the Welland Canal 27 ‘ 6 “ was. The Maxinum draft at one time. Any advances on that since 1968. JS
    The lakes themselves there were very little restrictions re draft but going up or out of the lakes on a 35000 ddwt. Ship you were never fully loaded. Bringing 32000 tons of steel product from. Japan at a 33 ft loaded draft used to have to lighten ship usually in Philadelphia . Coming out of the lakes with grain , had to top off in the likes of 3 Rivers or one of the other ports. The freight rates out of the Lakes was always high , so the owners wanted every ton they could get which meant a 27’ 6 “ even keel draft and adjusting your trim as best you could for the burnout of fuel. The penalties were very high if caught over the allowed draft. JS
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    #8 Hmmm!! The draughts were always dictated by the depth of water at the departure/arrival posts and not the oceans you crossed, I should imagine that the Great Lakes are much deeper than 30' as many ships have disappeared in them.

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    yes as said Ivan the lakes there were little or no restrictions as to drafts , getting there was. No good loading to 30 ft and being refused entry to the locks coming out. Also the lakes are completely freshwater so you lost another 9 inches if your FWA was that as regards tonnage.
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    Seems as though there’s no simple answer, although the responses were interesting. Thanks guys.
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    For the landlubbers. FWA stands for Fresh Water Allowance And is the difference on your plimsol marks between Fresh and salt water . Every ship is different and is assigned such on the measurements for tonnage and such like on completion of build. The S.G.of salt water is 1.025 and Fresh water 1.000 so if no restrictions and loading to go to sea , and in Fresh water could sink the vessel 9 “ over its marks , for brackish or different waters say of 1015 sg then could go over your marks by 10/25 of 9” or whatever your FWA was. Up the lakes was completely Fresh water. The lakers and such vessels which rarely came out of the lakes and didn’t have the confrontage of the lock system to the same extent as a salty was not too much bother . But the Welland Canal and the locks going up Niagara Falls you were restricted to an actual draft of 27’ 6” and this was in Fresh water. Plimsolls and such like never entered the equation it was actual viewing of draft. And if you were a doubtful case a car would follow you down the canal to make sure you did not exceed that. As drafts and trim change continuously due to burnout of fuel and movements of transfers on board. Once up the lakes it was hiyoslver and after the baddies or goodies whatever. You wanted to call them. JS
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