Passenger ships from Ireland to Liverpool

[Keith at Tregenna]

Does not look promising at all Kathryn

Migration by Sea within the British Isles

No official records were ever kept of passengers travelling by sea within the British Isles, including Ireland. A few personal narratives survive, and in rare instances some shipping companies archives may contain information on sailings, etc.

One exception is the magistrate’s registers for the deportation home to Ireland and Scotland from Liverpool. These cover 1801-1835, and are available at Lancashire Record Office, Bow Lane, Preston, PR1 2RE (Email: record.office@ed.lancscc.gov.uk).

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Every thing search for today suggests similar to what Doc has reported.

Few records will exist of movement to the main land from Ireland apart from
vessels with a final destination outside of the UK.

Hence, some records may exist of only those that sailed on a returning ship that may have
joined at an Irish port and get off at say Liverpool, with the end of voyage in for example France.

Again most likely the more expensive option.

Still looking for a break to connect many names in archives that do not
show any relationship.

Keith.

[robpage]

Crossing on an Irish Sea ferry , in those days was going from one part of the British Isles to another so did just be like crossing the border into Scotland there would be no records whatsoever and people would catch the fairies not do the last leg of a transatlantic journey as often that would be via Cherbourg or from the west coast of Ireland so I would say that not only are there no current records of those happening but there never was any of in the first place

[Keith at Tregenna]

Much the same conclusion as already posted,
apart from if the final destination of the ship
as said was France, those that were on board
were recorded.

It is not unlikely that some would sail
from Dublin / Cork to Southampton at a
reduce cost to fill some empty space.

Not that this would help, with the enormous
amount of people that did relocate or matching
archive records.

K.

[Kathryn Steeman]

All ports from Ireland are of interest as I don't know which one most people came from to England. A bit perplexing as have all the birth certs for James Maloney/Emily Maloney nee James children starting with my Gran in 1897 to the youngest Daisy in 1914, but they don't show on 1901 census register even though all the births 1897 - 1907 are all in Limehouse district. Only 1911 script has them living with Emily's Mum and brother but has all their birth dates wrong. Emily died 1926 aged 53 I have her death cert and I have a print out of 1939 register showing James Maloney living with his two youngest daughters and the grandkids. List his birth date 18 Aug 1871.Have sent away for some birth certs of a few James Maloney to see which one is him. Still trying to find both james and Emily's families and where exactly they were born. Just wondering what 'Rent books' and workhouse records are? there are some James Maloney and John James listed but wasn't sure what these forms are?? Can anyone enlighted me?

Cheers

Kathryn in NZ

[Keith at Tregenna]

Irish immigration to Britain took off in 1818 with the first steam packet service (the Rob Roy) linking Belfast to Glasgow. Within a decade, ships were also ferrying passengers from Dublin and Cork, mainly to Liverpool for onward travel to North America. As competition among the shipping companies grew, fares dropped to as low as 10d in steerage and 3d on deck, removing yet another obstacle to the would-be emigrant – unaffordable costs.

Having made the decision to leave, the emigrant's choice of settlement in Britain was determined by three factors: proximity to Ireland, ease of sea passage, and the availability of regular work.

As such, the main magnets were ports of arrival, towns on the western side of Britain, and industrialised urban centres further inland.

The most important factor in determining final settlement was ease of transport across the sea.

Someone in Tyrone or Derry, dreaming of his life after emigration, was really thinking about life and work in Barrow in Furness, Cumbria or one of the towns near the west coast of Scotland.

Wales or Bristol. Similarly, a would-be emigrant in Munster was hoping for a new life in Wales, Cornwall or London; Scotland was not on his horizon.

The main route patterns for Irish immigration to Britain were:

Emigrants from Ulster settled in Scotland

Emigrants from Connacht and the central strip of Ireland travelled via Dublin to Liverpool

Emigrants from Munster and other southerly or western areas of Ireland sailed to South Wales, London or the English south coast.

As with all generalisations, this overview overlooks the thousands who found a non-typical route. In 1881, a quarter of the Irish-born population of Newcastle-upon-Tyne came from Ulster. They had probably travelled via Barrow-in-Furness or Whitehaven, both of which were important ports for ships from Ulster, especially for passengers from counties Tyrone, Antrim and Down, and had good transport links across the Pennines, to London and to Edinburgh. But nearly half the Irish-born population of the town came from western Connacht. They would have travelled from Dublin or, in smaller numbers, from Belfast.

Also flying in the face of the accepted generalisation is the number of immigrants in Yorkshire who started out from Munster.

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Newspaper advert June 1861


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[Kathryn Steeman]

Thanks for that Keith, that is so interesting! I feel for the poor buggers looking for a new life only to be treated as lepers when they got to England or USA. Having to live in the worst housing etc . Mine you my Mum living down East End London was dirt poor also but you found a way to make ends meet. Got birth cert for oldest child of the eleven in Mum's family; turns out he wasn't born to my Grandparents even though his surname was Smith and his mother's maiden was Maloney. They were living before and after they got married 1918 with James & Emily Maloney in 147 Elsa St Tower Hamlets/Limehouse London. Found out through electoral roll 1918 which had James Maloney,Emily Maloney & John Smith listed. Winifred Smith wasn't listed as they weren't married yet and only married women had vote after WW1 , everyone didn't get the vote until later in the 1920's. John Richard Smith born 1918 was being looked after by the household and as John & Winifred didn't have kids yet everyone probably presumed it was theirs. Mum was stunned by the news as she was told that he had died young. None of her siblings ever met him as they were all born well after. The oldest, Gertrude but called Sis, may have met him but she would have been quite little. She died in 1992 so I can't ask. Have found John Richards parents and where they lived( just a couple of streets over from Elsa St) and trying to go back once I can confirm from James and Emily's birth Certs their families . Don't laugh, John Richards Dad was obviously a Smith but he married, wait for it, a Maloney! So which side of the family did John Richards come from Smith or Maloney will be interesting. Finding out that Emily Maloney's maiden name James is the Welsh equivalent of the English Smith!! How many generations back to find Welsh connection will be interesting.

This is all interesting to me and thank you everyone for input about shipping. Will have some more questions about relatives whom were in R Navy and M Navy just getting their names and birth dates sorted.

Cheers

Kathryn in NZ

[happy daze john in oz]

Don't misread the question Keith. Ireland to "Liverpool".

He has a habit of going on like that, not really part of the thread.

[happy daze john in oz]

Kathryn, you could try the Irish census details for the date as it may give you some info about where some came from.

Having done our Irish side of the family tree it is quite amazing what you will find.

[Keith at Tregenna]

He has a habit of going on like that, not really part of the thread.

This kind of remark does not help, It makes me feel like giving up assisting or doing all privately.

K.

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Kathryn, you could try the Irish census details for the date as it may give you some info about where some came from.

Having done our Irish side of the family tree it is quite amazing what you will find.

We are doing that. It is important to link all together and takes time.

K.

[Keith at Tregenna]

Thanks for that Keith, that is so interesting!

This is all interesting to me and thank you everyone for input about shipping. Will have some more questions about relatives whom were in R Navy and M Navy just getting their names and birth dates sorted.

Cheers

Kathryn in NZ

Been a bit of a busy day, taking a bit of a look at all again now
though, will have more time in the morning.

Keith.