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    Louis there were 5 of us on a small vessel with at least 37 survivors I say 37 as this is what the official figure put out not by me as believe at a rough guess there were more. Who passed personal gear to some of them as they were short of clothing. The second engineer itemised this gear with an estimated value at a later more convenient time, and this was passed to the owners. About 8 months later I was still sailing with the same crew that is the ones who didn't pack it in. They kept on asking me when they were going to get their money, this was in a different company by this time. All that was passed on by me was an old pair of shoes which had been standing beside my door and had a value of 5 pounds put on them. I should have taking more notice of what was being asked of me but for the sake of 5 pounds I wasn't worried. Apparently others were as they didn't have much. So I approached my union who said they couldn't do anything as the company wasn't a union ship. I then approached the oil company in question who were very upset as said they had passed the money on to the owners immediately on receiving the itemized list. When the company was approached about 8 months after receiving the money, their reply was you should have applied to us for the money we have it in the office. It was really only coppers to them but to a couple of them it meant a lot as you know how poorly paid those vessels were. Apart from the principles involved is another fine example of a shipowner. I never asked the company for my 5 pounds, as far as I was concerned they could stick it up their jacksy, but each man if they wanted their few pounds had to go and apply for it from their ex employers. This I am sure was in retaliation for leaving their employ which was all perfectly legal and all had put their proper notice in. They acted like small kids the owners and that was about the limits of their intelligence. Then when people decry unions and I say you are better with one than without, those who don't know any different think one is a strong socialist. JWS
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    It is a pity we never met at sea John, we share many of the same views.

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    #15.. JA.. Cappy and I often joke on about certain things to which some do not deem funny, but that is the Geordie way of taking the micky in a semi sardonic way. Cappy mentions two masters who were prototypes of probably your fathers era. a Captain Hogg and Roberts who I knew both characters very well. They put a different face on things to what most thought of their personalities. Hogg was brought up in Runcimans and did his whole seatime there. During the depression in the 30"s there was a shortage of work for seafarers and the only job he could get was a nightwatchmans job on ships in the Tyne, and I think Roberts was in a similar situation. The second world war brought all the merchant seaman back to full employment as ships and crews were being lost at an alarming rate. I was second mate and work by mate in port with Hogg, and he was going through a bad phase in his life as I knew as was a personal friend of the family. The company had no hesitation in sacking him. He finished up his time as a North Sea pilot, Roberts had a similar background to Hogg, although a lot of crews thought of these two as martinets, they weren't and had both, as many others had hardships in their lifes, both surviving more than one sinking during the war. Your father was in good company in those days, the company however was unlikely to be the shipping company. It makes it doubly hard on the shipping side that the effort that these men made is all now redundant, the next time round if there is a next time round, the country will not be so fortuanate, as all has been given away. JWS

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    hoggy and roberts were old time masters john ...as most of that generation ......in shields there is a big public space once called the dragon .......it is now football pitches and a public gathering place....made by leveling the ground with clinker and ballast ..as you say inthe 30s......2 of my seafaring family worked on it .......for coppers and a soup kitchen .....but that was a hard time for all ......it is now a fine place for young men playing sport .......and other outdoor functions.....ps no digging machines just size 12 shovels....ps off to shields later this week with grandson and pat...we fishing ...pat no doubt shopping in newcastle.....never fished in shields for years ....dont know if i need a license for beach fishing.......didnt used to but nothing is buckshee now......regards cappy......wonder if anyone knows if i need a license to fish of a beach in the UK

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    Don't go pulling any dead illegals out with that fishing line. If you, do see if they have any money in their Kaftans before throwing back in. With a bit of luck they might drift back to the continent. JWS

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    No licence to fish the beach Cappy, but beware of catch size, ie different species have limits on size to keep, kt

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    Cappy last I heard you had to have a licence which you can buy in any post office.I may be wron but I think it was only 50pence.Let me know.
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    Cappy I'm sure you do need one or risk a fine of upto £2,500 they done come cheap and for a one day licence it will cost you £3.75.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Brady View Post
    Cappy last I heard you had to have a licence which you can buy in any post office.I may be wron but I think it was only 50pence.Let me know.
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    cheers jim ....will ring the tourist office today ......i know no license off the pier ...or so i am told ......but will make a query today i will let you know...regards cappy

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    Now the mood has been lightened I will return to one of my favourite subjects.......Flip flops.

    When buying these from an Arab flip flop seller always examine the goods carefully as many are sold with the straps upside down, this results in the the left foot going full ahead while the right foot is going full astern putting great strain on the buttocks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keith Tindell View Post
    No licence to fish the beach Cappy, but beware of catch size, ie different species have limits on size to keep, kt
    ####thanks keith .....catching anything will be debatable ....i am out of touch now but think it is a bit early for the mackeral .....but a bit of family time is worth the fishing regards cappy

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