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    Compulsive Liar.

    36 Comments by Peter Copley Published on 20th January 2021 08:58 PM
    My wife and I have just watched a film on Netflix called, ‘uwantme2KILLhim?’ I don’t want to spoil the ending for anyone but basically it's about a boy who fantasies (tells porkies) to impress the teenage boys and girls at his school. Well, that set me off telling my wife about compulsive liars I had either sailed with or known socially or have worked with.

    Sometimes called pathological liars, they are also known as mythomania, they tell porky pies for no apparent reasons. I’m the most gullible person and tend to believe what people tell me.
    Anyway, here are three mythomaniacs I have known over the years.

    One was a fireman (No names no pack drills) who boasted that he had climbed up to the top of Mount Everest, had shot dead dozens of Mau Mau terrorists whilst serving with the British Army in Kenya. He was about 12 years old at the time of the rebellion in 1960! If anyone said they had done something extraordinary, he would trump them by saying he’d also done that, but faster, higher, and more often.
    His wife apologised saying, “He tends to exaggerate.”

    But the two most compulsive liars that I met, were a third-mate on a ship I sailed on, the other was an officer in the sea cadets. Both these men were what you might call, nice friendly men and both were very intelligent.

    The 3rd mate, I’ll call him Cyril. Back in the mid-1960s, he must have been nearly 60 years old, he was by far the oldest 3rd mate I’ve ever sailed with. Standing out on the bridge-wing one day, he pointed to a vapour trail high in the clear blue sky, it must have been a jet plane flying at about 35000 feet.
    He said, “That’s a VC10.”
    I could only just make out a shiny image in front of the vapor. I said, “How do you know that you can hardly see it?”
    He said, “My mother is a pilot, She fly’s jet planes. She has a pilot’s ‘B’ licence, meaning she can pilot passenger jets.” I thought at the time his mother must be getting on towards her 80th birthday.
    Anyway, a few weeks later, he showed me a photograph. “This is a photo of my mum.”
    I took the photo, studied it for a moment or two, turned it over, and said, “She’s in a coffin!”
    He said, “Yes she’s dead, that’s why.”
    I looked at the stout old woman, who’s sickle-shaped mouth, obviously devoid of dentures, had caved in, her nose resting on her chin. She looked like she had been shoehorned into a coffin two sizes too small for her.
    I said, “This is the airline pilot!?”
    “Em, yes. She was before she died.”
    I thought if she’s a jet pilot I’m an astronaut.
    Cyril was a hypochondriac as well as a mythomaniac, constantly dosing himself up with antidepressants (barbiturates I think) while on these drugs he told one porky after another, each one getting more outlandish.
    During the war, he said he was manning an Oerlikon anti-aircraft gun firing at a Heinkel bomber attacking his ship. He said the plane was so low, he could not depress the gun sufficient to shoot at the aircraft because of the handrail, so he got a hacksaw and cut away the handrail.
    One day he said, he’d ‘served his time’ as a cadet sailing on tea clippers on the New Zealand coast. A week later he said, he’d served his time with Elder Dempster Lines on the Narvik and Murmansk Convoys.
    But the best tale was when we were sailing through the Bay of Biscay in a gale on our way to Petit Couronne in France. The sea spray was actually breaking over the bridge. He staggered into the radio room and said to me, “Bloody hell, sparky, I nearly got washed overboard.”
    However, writing home to his wife from Rouen, he told her that he’d been washed overboard by one wave and then deposited back on the deck by another wave. We left the River Seine for Liverpool. When the ship docked at Liverpool there was a bevy of reporters and press photographers waiting to interview Cyril on his astonishing saga of being washed overboard and then being washed back aboard again. Cyril’s wife had told the press about his adventure.

    The next man, I’ll call him Ted, was a Lieutenant (SCC) RNR with the Sea Cadet Corps. Ted was a manager with British Aerospace, a family man with a lovely wife and two kids. For a long while, I believed all the exciting things he had done. Shortly after joining the cadets, he said to me, “I passed over your house yesterday.”
    I said, “you should have called in for a brew.”
    He said, “I would have, but there was no place to land the plane. I was flying over your house.”
    I had no reason to disbelieve him, he said he was on a jolly flying solo from Preston to the Isle of Mann and back. Others in the cadets warned me to take what Ted said with a good pinch of salt. He did not have a pilot’s licence and could not fly a kite, never mind a Cessna. Although I did take what he said with a pinch of salt, because he was such a nice bloke, I never challenged him on his adventures.
    He said he was doing a sea cadet officer’s navigation course on HMS Brighton (F106) that had just undergone a multi-million-pound upgrade to a Leander Class Type Frigate. Sailing from Glasgow down the Clyde (At night) the skipper said to Ted, “Right, Lieutenant ***** I’m going below. You take over conning the ship out to sea, while I get my head down!!!”
    Ted said, “I was really nervous being in charge of this newly refitted warship taking her down the Clyde at night.”
    I had to laugh at that, seeing a skipper, in his right mind, handing over command of a major warship in the River Clyde to a sea cadet officer.
    Next, he told me he was a fighter pilot in the Korean War and that he was the only pilot of a turboprop aircraft to shoot down a MIG jet. (He got that idea from the CO of Holyhead Sea Cadets who, while serving with the Fleet Air Arm, did actually shoot down a MIG jet with a propeller-driven aircraft.)
    Ted said he was related to one of the VC winners at the Battle of Rorke’s Drift in the Anglo-Zulu Wars. That may have been true of course, although I suspected he just been watching the movie Zulu.
    And so on, each story more unbelievable than the last one.

    I won’t bore readers further. I was just wondering if this article sets off a thread of similar experiences.

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    Hope his next round of excitement wasn’t charging you for an overdraft Ivan. JS
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    # BUPA operates Residential Care Homes and Nursing Homes around the UK. When the fire legislation changed from the FPA1971 to the RR(FS)O-2005 which put the responsibility of fire safety on the risk creators not on the fire authority, I was part of a team of fire risk assessors employed on a full-time basis to inspect these care homes. I once referred to them as Old Folks Homes only to be forcefully corrected by a matron. PC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Copley View Post
    I once referred to them as Old Folks Homes only to be forcefully corrected by a matron. PC.
    Makes a change to being spanked by a matron!

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    Once worked with a guy who was well known for his exaggeration. One of his best was just after moving into a new house he was digging in the. garden and found a V.W. Beetle buried in it. He dug it out and it started first time. Very reliable those German cars!
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    #10. Hi Ivan. I had to smile at the idea of a bank manager having an exciting life in banking, there aren’t many TV dramas based around Chartered Accountants. I had this discussion with my niece the other day, she is an art teacher, very left wing, politically correct, and woke. A product of the long march through the institutions that is rampant in the UK at the moment. My niece argued that she has had as much experience in life as I had, and my age had nothing to do with experience. I mentioned (without trying to make me out to be too clever by half) that, since leaving the school of hard knocks, St Mary’s SM School Burnley in 1958, undoubtedly the roughest school in Burnley, without any qualifications, starting full time employment a week before my 15th birthday I had done following jobs; building timber sheds until I was 16, then 12 years sea circumnavigating the world 3 times before I was 18, visiting over 100 different foreign countries and islands, serving on tramp steamers, tankers and trawlers. Qualifying as a ship’s radio officer. Then serving 28 years in the fire service having at different times had the following references; pump commander, watch commander, station commander, assistant divisional officer FP Bradford division, licensing officer, petroleum and explosives officer, radiation officer (Although I didn’t know too much about rad risks) command and control of major incidents officer, collapsed buildings and collapsed excavations officer, Breathing Apparatus Main Control Officer. And then working for 9 years 6 months in a hotel. Well, I told her, I thought I was ‘a man of the world’ - been there, seen it, read the book, until I worked for Shire Hotels. I was quite innocent about what goes on in hotels – you haven’t lived until you have witnessed a Burnley wedding, with the crying bride stamping a full wedding cake down the toilet wanting to sleep with the best man, when she caught her new husband with his hand up the chief bridesmaid’s dress. The groom fighting with the bride’s father, etc, etc. I remember the manager saying to me, “Oh, Peter, Peter, they’re kicking off in the Garden Room, can you go and sort them out?!” I said, “Flipping heck, Paula, you’re the manager, you go and sort ‘em.”
    “Aw go on, Peter, you’re a man.” I said, “Let them fight, then call the cops.”
    When I got used to the antics of the great British public who had been drinking from 10am until 2am the following morning, I loved working in the hotel, best job ever meeting people from all over the world. Then I spent the next 7 or 8 years as a fire risk assessor inspecting hundreds of premises until I retired at the age of 73. I reminded my schoolteacher niece that during the 46 years I was involved with fire safety work, I inspected well over 250 schools dealing with belligerent teachers and head teachers who think they know everything in the world. Anyway, as I said to my niece, “I don’t want to insult you, Emma, but I think I’ve had a bit more experience of life than you have teaching kids how to paint a flower.” Needless to say, she hit the roof at that! I didn’t dare say, ‘People who can do, do. People who can’t do, teach.’ She’d have bit my head off at that. PC710198.

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    [QUOTE=Peter Copley;3 ‘People who can do, do. People who can’t do, teach.’ She’d have bit my head off at that. PC710198.[/QUOTE]

    Peter I've said that a couple of times and had my head bitten off, but have pointed out to them that they've been going to the same school for 20 years, teaching the same subject for 20 years and probably instilling the same inaccuracies into hundreds of pupils over the years to a captive audience, but they don't see it that way. They get so used to speaking to pupils in a condescending manner they think they can do it to adults; maybe some adults keep quiet because the have children at the school. Welcome as a fox in a hen house doesn't come into it

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    Hi Peter, When I read your piece, I thought for one minute we'd met. Me having been a Fireman (shoreside) and prior to that 9 years in the Army. After, that was, a short spell on a tub built in the 20's in the Bay of Bengal and points further east. Fortunately I realised that you couldn't have meant me, since I'm 80 and Jomo Kenyata was never my best mate! Anyway your observations are quite thought provoking since I've met quite a few insecure characters in my time, who fit this bill. I do get some comments though when I'm quizzed about how I've navigated through life; MN, Army, Fire Service. Fortunately I was never that good negotiating any of them, but then my wife has told me at least a 1000 times to stop exagerating.
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    #12... I reside today in something similar , but are called retirement villages. To gain residence in such one must be over 55. If you want to see what they are like google RAAFA Retirement Village Mandurah W.A. You may see a vibrant Community still dancing to Fred Astaire. Cheers JS
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    When I moved to Cooma I showed a class of older people, [all younger than me ] how to put a ship in a bottle, I had also taking a couple of photo albums with my ships pictures in them, I would say that 90% hadn't seen a ship other than on TV, they were amazed when I told them that hundreds of tankers of that size and much bigger were month after month running up the Persian Gulf, to "Where is that".
    I suppose we must allow for some people, one, not being aware, and two wrapped up in where they are.
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    The problem with teaching these days is that teacher has to put up with little Johnny's sh-t 5 days a week. Then there is every likely hood little Johnny will tell his drugged up mum and piss-d up father that the teacher is picking on him with the end result of teacher getting a kicking. But yes I agree that some members of the teaching profession do think they have been through the University of Life. An old saying which I am sure a few will have heard before, there is only one thing worse than a first trip Junior Engineer and that is a second trip Junior Engineer. I know I am sure I was guilty of that charge myself. My biggest bug at sea was usually Cadets when I was Junior(which was not for very long because I knew everything about ships after my my first trip. They had read a few books and thought they knew it all. Ask them to turn out a bolt or something on the lathe or milling machine they went pale and stuttered that is the fitters job. I served my apprenticeship shore side as a fitter welder , as a hobby I used to restore cars etc! so I knew my way around a workshop fitting skills was like water of a ducks back I did two years in the tool room and my last couple of years in the pipe fitting fabrication shop. On my first trip we had a problem with a hold bilge well. The loading was delayed until this could be resolved. They got a shoreside welder down and he was fannying about with it. He said the stub piece was to short and he could not get a weld around the back underneath. The Chief was a pig ignorant guy from Anglesey. They were all at the top of the hold looking down at the pipe concerned talking about Thistle bond and Cement boxes but these take time. I asked why not just weld the pipe from the inside of the pipe. Chief ripped me a new one wtf would you know. I went down the hold asked the welder for his gear and did the job in 5 minutes pumped the bilge well out and we carried on loading. The Chief never spoke to me for a day. He sent for me gave me a case of beer on OCS account and asked me how I knew that would work. I told him a bear faced lie that I was a coded welder, he looked at me quite dubiously not sure if I was taking the pis-. Still I went 4/eng halfway through my next trip

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