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Keith at Tregenna
20th October 2017, 07:21 PM
The Trafalgar Day parade is a yearly march through London to mark the anniversary of the Battle of Trafalgar.

At the battle, which took place on October 21, Admiral Lord Nelson famously defeated the French and Spanish fleets of Cape Trafalgar in South West Spain, losing his own life in the battle.

Today, the sea cadets mark that important date with a parade through London, which members of the public are welcome to watch.

Anyone involved in a do near you ?

Bill Cameron
20th October 2017, 09:20 PM
My Royal Naval Association City of Edinburgh branch, is having a Trafalgar day dinner as will many Royal Naval establishments, itís an evening we all enjoy

Keith at Tregenna
20th October 2017, 11:33 PM
Today is the 212th anniversary of the Battle of Trafalgar, where Nelson decisively defeated the Franco-Spanish naval threat, though it was to cost his life and that of hundreds of his men.

Wherever you are, raise a glass to the Immortal Memory!

21st October 2017, 02:00 AM
What a diverse society we live in Keith. According to a census done by the media in the uk recently most people would barely know who Nelson was, especially if they don’t know who Adolph Hitler was. To the many of the lives that have been lost defending the home of their birth it just seems a monsteruous loss for no end achievement. Have seen on here people reporting their lack of knowledge of the MN alone that would be a source of worry. To fail on their own history of their fore fathers is an absolute downer to humanity in general. There will always be trouble in the world with people with no memory’s and a complete lack of caring. I am at times Glad I chose to stay at sea and live mostly with Mother Nature. Rather than live alongside some of the individuals I have had the Fortune or misfortune to meet ashore. There are still millions of what I would call morons living on this planet, all self seeking and only reconize the word Me Me. The future holds nothing with the attitude of apathy that most have. Nelson , Churchill, and many others whether you like them or not they were great British citizens and stood up when it was necessary and got counted. Anyone who does not consider Nelson to be the great saviour he was, should be considered to have leprosy. Cheers JWS

21st October 2017, 04:44 AM
and don't forget what the ex merchant ship, topsail schooner HMS Pickle did

happy daze john in oz
21st October 2017, 05:06 AM
John, there has been a push in UK and other countries for the removal of mnay staues to men such as Nelson.
In his case tghe calim is he ran slaving ships.
But the most disturbing thing is that much of the history of that time and others is no longer taught at school.
With no understanding of what has occurred in the past how can future generations know how to deal with similar circumstances should they happen again.
We should all be bale to learn from mistakes of the past, but if we are not informed then there is every possibility they will happen again.
Yes you are right about the 'me,me' concept of today, personal gratification is all they concern themselves with and to hell with the rest.

21st October 2017, 08:32 AM
I assume the Parliament buildings in London are the same as Canberra. I don’t see any big clamour from the pollies to take down all the portraits of PMs down. Nelson didn’t ask for an effigy of himself, it was put there by a grateful Nation. The self congratulatory portraits by an act of parliament put up by the old boys clubs themselves. Statues of famous and worthwhile people put there for the reason of not forgetting the past are a godsend to the people to remind them. The portraits of politicians are out of sight in the big monkey house thank goodness. JWS

Bengy Roberts
21st October 2017, 12:17 PM
used his seat in the House of Lords and his position of huge influence to perpetuate the tyranny, serial rape and exploitation organised by West Indian planters, some of whom he counted among his closest friends. OK WILL GLADLY TAKE LEPROSY :Thanx:

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North Korea says British hero Lord Nelson NOT a 'TRUE OFFICER' in outrageous attack,,kim dont lie remember

21st October 2017, 12:27 PM
What do we now call you then spotty Roberts. JWS.

Bengy Roberts
21st October 2017, 12:35 PM
just read up on it,no need for sarcasm

Keith at Tregenna
21st October 2017, 12:36 PM
Horatio Nelson is generally regarded as the greatest officer in the history of the Royal Navy.*

His reputation is based on a series of remarkable victories during the Napoleonic Wars, culminating in the Battle of Trafalgar where he inflicted a crushing defeat on the numerically superior Franco-Spanish fleet.*

Hit by a musket ball from a French sharpshooter, he died on HMS Victory in the knowledge that he had achieved another famous victory.


The season of formal Trafalgar Night dinners, celebrated*by navies throughout the Commonwealth, starts on Trafalgar Day, October 21, and ends in early November with Pickle Night, which celebrates the arrival in London of Lieutenant John Lapenotiere on HMS Pickle,*carrying news of victory over the French and Spanish fleet at Trafalgar and the death of Lord Nelson.

The History Press | The tradition of Pickle Night (http://www.thehistorypress.co.uk/articles/the-tradition-of-pickle-night/)

Keith at Tregenna
21st October 2017, 12:44 PM
My Royal Naval Association City of Edinburgh branch, is having a Trafalgar day dinner as will many Royal Naval establishments, it’s an evening we all enjoy

At this moment almost precisely 212 years ago, Nelson was hit by a musket ball fired from the rigging of the French ship Redoubtable. The ball entered just above his left shoulder and passed down to bury itself at the base of his spine.

Little over an hour earlier, Nelson's force had entered battle with the larger combined Franco-Spanish fleet. He had divided his fleet into two lines that sliced into the side of the enemy, dividing them and causing utter chaos. It was during this confusion that Nelson's flagship, the Victory, had become entangled with the Redoubtable and he had been spotted by the French sharpshooter.

Nelson was carried below to the orlop deck and endured an unimaginable three hours of agony while the battle raged above. He finally succumbed at 4:30pm, not long after he learned from Captain Hardy that he and the British had been victorious.

His death as much as his life is part of the Nelsonic legend. Let us all take a moment to remember his sacrifice and that of the generations before and since.

Bengy Roberts
21st October 2017, 01:29 PM
happy daze, yeah,there is a cry for statues to be torn down ,people think of churchill with the expensive cigars and the v sign,,they should do some honework on him,:icon_crash2: BENGY

21st October 2017, 01:32 PM
#13...Is it a pink one Marian. JWS

Keith at Tregenna
21st October 2017, 02:01 PM
I could not tread these perilous paths in safety, if I did not keep a saving sense of humor.

Horatio Nelson

Keith at Tregenna
21st October 2017, 06:05 PM
and don't forget what the ex merchant ship, topsail schooner HMS Pickle did

HMS Pickle


“Make haste, little Pickle” the Admiral said,
“Go and tell England that Nelson is dead.
In his moment of triumph, a sharpshooter aimed
And the life of our hero his musket ball claimed.
They took him below – in the orlop he lay,
As his spirit and lifeblood ebbed slowly away
He whispered ‘Thank God’ in his faltering breath,
‘My duty is done’ and slipped unto death.”

“The battle is won ! Make their Lordships aware
That the Fleet has prevailed and will shortly repair
To Gibraltar for succour, refit and thanksgiving
To bury the dead and to comfort the living.
Bellerophon, Thunderer, Swiftsure and Mars,
Colossus and Neptune – all have lost spars.
My own Royal Sovereign the leeward van led
And suffered in consequence three score men dead.”

“So fly, gallant schooner and shake out all sail
For you carry great tidings and canvas-clad mail
For their Lordships, whose spirits our victory will gladden
Though the news of our loss the whole Nation will sadden.
God speed you to England – make haste while it’s light.
Delay not a moment and fly through the night.
Young Captain I charge you – La Penotiere’s your name.
Hasten to London and tell of our fame.”

So with Collingwood’s blessing the Pickle departed
Past Cadiz she sailed – round St Vincent she started.
With five points to starboard, then ten degrees more,
The Pole Star ahead and away from lee shore.
Past Lisbon to leeward – Oporto in sight,
Close-hauled all day – past Finnisterre that night.
On through wild Biscay the little craft lunged,
While mizzen stays hummed and through ocean spray plunged.

But while rounding Ushant, the hurricane shrieked,
Through cedar-clad decking, the wild water leaked.
“Lighten ship !” Cried her Captain, “Or all will be lost”
So into the ocean her cannon they tossed.
But once in the Channel, the tempest abated
The great Neptune’s ire all finally sated.
At last on the ninth day, “Land ho !” came the cry,
Their landfall was Falmouth, past Lizard hard by.

Not waiting a moment the Captain alighted,
Commanded a coachman, the first that he sighted.
To London they galloped all day and all night;
Past midnight the third day was London in sight.
‘Ere dawn the good news round the City was sung
And the King ordered Nation-wide church bells be rung.
The news of this victory brought England great gladness,
Though tinged with the loss of her hero, great sadness.

So countrymen all, whether landsman or tar,
“Three cheers for the Pickle !” the smallest by far
Of that glorious fleet on that glorious day,
From whence for a century Britannia held sway.
When Nelson looks down from his heavenly portal
As we offer the toast to the ‘Memory Immortal’,
“Remember the Pickle”, he’d certainly say,
For she also served – on that fateful day.

We are still cheering for Pickle today

Keith at Tregenna
21st October 2017, 06:22 PM
I could not tread these perilous paths in safety, if I did not keep a saving sense of humor.

Horatio Nelson

Hello all, hope you are enjoying Trafalgar Day, what are you doing this evening? is anyone drinking something in Nelson's honour? just wanted to share this with everybody, hope you enjoy.

Have a good evening and hip hip Huzzah!

NOSTALGIA: After 212 years, Lord Nelson’s legacy will never be forgotten: NOSTALGIA: After 212 years, Lord Nelson‚Äôs legacy will never be forgotten - The News (http://www.portsmouth.co.uk/heritage/nostalgia-after-212-years-lord-nelson-s-legacy-will-never-be-forgotten-1-8203808)

Brenda Shackleton
22nd October 2017, 03:27 PM
Why are we served from the left in a Restaurant and dishes removed from the right ? Ok SOME restaurants - the ones where you don't have to pass other people's plates ....
Lord Nelson. Blind in his right eye so he was served from the left. Plate removed from the right ; didn't matter that he couldn't see his empty plate.
Another piece of almost useless information ! What a legacy.

Keith at Tregenna
22nd October 2017, 03:36 PM
Today, we use the phrase 'square meal' to refer to a full, balanced meal. We might say, "Boy, I'm full. That was a square meal" or "I'm hungry, let's find a place we can get a square meal." It basically means a good and filling meal. One good meal is called a square meal but we also have the phrase, three square meals. This phrase is so common that a recent translation of the Bible changed "Give us this day our daily bread" to "Keep us alive with three square meals." Less than poetic, for sure.

Most origin stories of the phrase claim it came from British and American naval ships of the 1700 or 1800's. There are two versions of this story. The most common claims that sailors aboard ship had their meals served to them on square wooden trays or plates, that they either carried back to their bunks, where the plates could be stored easily, or that were stored elsewhere. Since they only used these squares when they were getting a full meal, probably dinner, the phrase 'a square meal' came to be associated with a full and satisfying dinner.

Another variation on the naval story has it that plates would be set on wooden squares upon the galley table to keep them from sliding off, and that at some point.

A similar story left out the naval connection, and simply claims that British people used to eat off of wooden squares with the middles hollowed out into a depression for gravy, and perhaps another for salt. This supposedly dates back to medieval times where these wooden platters were called trenchers or simply boards. Travelers would carry around these squares to use any time they got a full meal, resulting in the same association as the naval stories, above.

Others, instead of attributing the phrase to naval ships, replace navy sailors with pirates. Here the idea is exactly the same: Pirates used to eat their meals off of wooden platters. This has also been claimed to be the origin of the phrase fair and square, since each pirate would receive his fair share of the sustenance. Or, sometimes only the hardest workers would get a square meal meaning that when all received a full meal, they were getting a fair and square meal. Since the pirates were supposed to have turned their plates over to eat dessert on the other side, this is said to be the origin of clean your plate before you have dessert.

It is quite likely that both naval and pirate ships used similar plates, as wood makes sense aboard a ship, being unbreakable (although pewter may have replaced wood at some point), and the square shape can be more efficiently stored away. There are many primitive examples of these wooden plates or trenchers, some of which are oblong but squarish bowls, being more shallow or deeper, others of which are flat squares of wood with a rounder depression turned into the middle and another smaller hole in the corner, supposedly for salt. These may have been made with beech, sycamore, or maple. Before perhaps 1500, these "trenchers" would have been made of large pieces of stale bread.

One explanation, which is more of a theory than any serious investigation into the etymology of the phrase, supposed that the phrase came about because of the association of square with right, since a square's angles are right angles. However, the word square is definitely associated with things that are right and proper. Not only fair and square from above but to square away, which means to "take care of things and make them right," and square deal which is a fair and proper deal. Also, to be square with someone is to be even with him and to square up is to pay a debt.


22nd October 2017, 05:07 PM
when you listened to Afua Hirsch the broadcaster , barrister , writer of Ghanaian , British , Jewish extraction talking about tearing down statues she for one forgets that with the slavery abolition law of 1833 it was our Bitish mastery of the seas , thanks to men like Admiral Lord Nelson that helped those laws be enfforced ,

Keith at Tregenna
22nd October 2017, 05:59 PM


23rd October 2017, 11:10 PM
#19 Is there any bearing on this why we drive on the left.??? Or keep to the starboard side of the channel ???? Or a sailing vessel close hauled on the port tack shall keep. Clear of a vessel close hauled on the starboard tack.everything to do with ships and the sea has to have some reasoning for making a basic rule and would be nice to think that he had some bearing on such. When visiting the Greenwich museum one time was astonished on the size of the average matelot in those days,judging by the size of uniforms must have been about 5 ft. 4 inches on average. As regarding the manning of HM ships was largely comprised of pressed men, same as being shanghied on a merchant ship. Some of the wives must have thought their husbands were just late for dinner, until they turned up a couple of years later. Another form of acceptable slavery. Mind have seen similar when a man has been tossed on board not knowing what and where he was until he sobered up. Just to get the required numbers on board. Maybe that’s why they brought the breathalysers in !!! Although I very much doubt, Rgds JS

Keith at Tregenna
23rd October 2017, 11:17 PM
Road rules were born from our sea legislation.


23rd October 2017, 11:50 PM
Keith that is a funny statement to make our Sea laws were made by the Lords of the Admiralty in the beginning. They are not made by people with no knowledge of shipping. In the U.S. the U.S. Coastguard is the ruling authority also. The commercial shipping in uk is now I believe the Coast guard who have to also comply with the. Admiralty. It’s not just a bunch of MPs sitting down over a drink, at least I hope it isn’t. For example Rule 18 I think when two power driven vessels are meeting end on each shall alter course to starboard , why starboard, the reason may have been because a right hand screw of the vessel of the day tended to go to starboard. Or the other way round, and was based on the transverse thrust of vessels of the day and era. Sailing ship rules have their own place in the general rules in the prevention of collisions at sea. But there is always a reason for such,being out of date today,the reasoning behind at the time. Today’s international rules and Regs. for preventing collisions at sea , the uk which was the leading maritime nation in the world would have had a big say in this. And as said would be nice to know that Nelson also had some input into this also. Cheers JWS

Keith at Tregenna
23rd October 2017, 11:58 PM
Just read: Is there any bearing on this why we drive on the left.??? Or keep to the starboard side of the channel ????

The bit: Road rules were born from our sea legislation.

Would have to look into Nelson being blind in one eye etc, to discover more ?


Keith at Tregenna
24th October 2017, 12:05 AM
Today is the 212th anniversary of the Battle of Trafalgar, where Nelson decisively defeated the Franco-Spanish naval threat, though it was to cost his life and that of hundreds of his men.

Wherever you are, raise a glass to the Immortal Memory!

Second Sea Lord's Trafalgar Night Speech

Vice Admiral Jonathan Woodcock OBE, Second Sea Lord and Deputy Chief of Naval Staff, delivered a speech at Trafalgar Night on board HMS Victory on 21 October 2017.

Your Grace, My Lord Howe, Secretary Of State, Ministers of State, Under Secretaries of State, Admirals, Ladies and Gentlemen,
Randolph [Churchill], your famous great-grandfather once said that ďa country that forgets its history has no futureĒ.* This evening, we have the chance not only to remember that history but to be part of it for a short while.

Portsmouth Naval Base has existed since 1194, and our nationís history is all around us. This is the place where the industrial revolution started, with the first steam production line anywhere in the world and significantly earlier than the much vaunted Ford Model T production line. The Georgian architecture which surrounds us is some of the finest in the country.* At one time, it was the largest industrial centre in Europe and today the worldís largest conventional aircraft carrier is here, the very mark of this nationís 21st Century industrial capability, and our continuing ambition.*

And yet, what stands at the very heart of this, the oldest naval base in the world, in the second oldest dry dock in the world, is a wooden ship. This ship.*
So here we are tonight, aboard this icon of our nationís maritime history, to commemorate the 212th anniversary of the Battle of Trafalgar and with it the life and death of Britainís greatest naval hero: Vice Admiral Horatio The Lord Nelson, 1st Viscount Nelson, 1st Duke of Bronte, Knight of the Bath and Vice Admiral of the White.

I must also say that to dine in such wonderful company would have been right up Nelsonís street and, of course, we are joined by a direct descendant of a previous Admiral who dined in this very cabin, the First Earl Howe, whose flag flew from the HMS Victoryís mainmast in 1782 and again in 1790.


happy daze john in oz
24th October 2017, 05:20 AM
It is said that we should learn from history in the hope we do not make similar mistakes in the future.

But how will the younger generation ever know if it is not taught in schools, which is the case in many now, but worse still if the statues are torn down.

Lord Nelson was no different to any other seaman or military man, he at times made mistakes but when the UK needed hi he was there and also made the ultimate sacrifice for his nation.

How many of todays politicians, the ones who have their portraits posted in the hallowed halls of parliament go were they called to do what nelson and others did?

Keith at Tregenna
24th October 2017, 10:30 PM
ďHMS Pickle At Worlds EndĒ

Every now and then thereís a photo thatís one in a million.... for me this is it!

Many thanks to Humber Rescue and their team for this magnificent Photo for me to share with you all.