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Keith at Tregenna
13th May 2013, 10:19 PM

Seeking all help and thoughts on the uniforms in the picture below:


Sorry, best quality of picture possible.



13th May 2013, 10:24 PM
The Sub lieutenant's braid looks wavy , I would suggest RNVR officer with two PO's , 3 ratings with long service / Good conduct stripes , At a guess 1930s

Keith at Tregenna
14th May 2013, 01:17 AM
Thanks Rob.

Just a hunch could it be anything to do with HM Customs / Waterguard ?

Apparently, they wore similar uniform ?

I wonder at the hut / shed behind them rather than a ship or something nautical:

But clutching at straws.


Doc Vernon
14th May 2013, 01:24 AM
Dont know if this may assist but like you Keith just trying!


14th May 2013, 04:01 AM
I would suggest the ratings long service stripes tell me that two of the ratings are men with at least 16 years service , the stripes look post 1922 because of the pattern , the contingent , officer , 2 POs , 3 ratings , possibly a gun crew , a diving unit would have helmets on display , not enough for a small boat crew , so small specialist unit , cannot read the trade badges on the sleeves . The officers braid is pre 1955 RNVR by the look of it , so I would suggest World War 2 . There some wartime fishing vessel sized ships , they would be crewed with that sort of numbers , and they are experienced hands , not raw recruits , bomb disposal. Maybe ?

Keith at Tregenna
14th May 2013, 01:39 PM
Thanks: Doc and Rob

Certainly food for thought on my quest to discover all.


Keith at Tregenna
14th May 2013, 02:26 PM
Waiting for another reply from the enquirer.



john sutton
14th May 2013, 02:37 PM
I believe that these are not naval ratings and officers.they may be training school members.My reasoning is 1) the beard.only full sets were allowed ,certainly on ratings also believe officers had the same rule.Incidently permission was required to grow a beard.
2)the ratings look young to have that many service stripes.
I addition the officers uniforms were dated very much prior to ww2.
Might be worth considering something related to HMS ganges
john sutton

14th May 2013, 03:21 PM
Having tidied it up on Photoshop , that is RN Braid , but the PO to the Right has not a full set , so He is not RN , I don't know about training schools , were they in Full RN uniform ? STill think 1925 - End of WW 2

Keith at Tregenna
14th May 2013, 04:25 PM
are there any clues from the origins of the photo itself?

POS: Local connection

The enquiry came via a Barry group, but not certain as yet of the enquirer, also if it is that way, wonder more of customs / Waterguard ?



14th May 2013, 04:40 PM
Go to Waterguard - Uniform (http://www.hm-waterguard.org.uk/Uniform.htm#1891 to 1945) and I am sure it is not the Waterguard , They have Preventative Officers , not POs and Square Rig Uniform

For Photographs through the ages try http://www.pbenyon1.plus.com/Uniform/Phot/Index.html , I have found references for beards but all seem to be Full Set only for all since 1886 There is an example of Ganges Uniforms there on te link , and I don't think it is that one , the ratings are much too old . Do you have the Original , if so is the beard partial , or is it Grey and appearing incomplete

14th May 2013, 05:43 PM
Can't offer much more than has already been said due to quality of photo but I would say Rob's earlier date is nearer the mark - it is way prior to WW2.


Don Rafferty
14th May 2013, 06:44 PM
Having tidied it up on Photoshop , that is RN Braid , but the PO to the Right has not a full set , so He is not RN , I don't know about training schools , were they in Full RN uniform ? STill think 1925 - End of WW 2

Any chance of posting the results here, the name on the cap bands should be legible, uniform very similar to that worn at Indefatigable.

14th May 2013, 07:04 PM
it did not come out that well , the cap name band seems to have a central emblem , but the resolution is not great

Keith at Tregenna
17th May 2013, 01:32 AM
Update from enquirer:

"I found the pic and wanted to find out if there was any war connection with Barry. The photo was taken by Charles H Farmer of Barry dock and although they are supposedly coastguard they look like they are in the navy. Any information you have would be very much appreciated.

I have found this regarding the photographer, which could help with dating.

FARMER C. H. 6 Dock View Rd, Barry 1910, 1914, 1920

FARMER C. H. 61 Holton Rd, Barry 1923

Across the road was the studio of Charles Farmer. He moved from 19 Dock View Road to 68 Holton Road, upon his release from the Royal Flying Corps in 1919. He had served as a photographer in the 1st World War. Mr. Farmer was still producing postcards of events taking place in the area until the outbreak of the 2nd world war. He then concentrated his talents into portrait photography, in which he excelled, and few families had not had a member of their family photographed by him. On his semi-retirement, Ken Riddle took over the studio, with Mr. Farmer still putting in an appearance. This block of shops has since been demolished and is now a temporary car park.

Charles Farmer, who started his business in Dock View Road in the early 1900's, was the only photographer from that period who continued to produce postcards up to the start of the 1939-45 war from his studio in Holton Road.

Tom Clemett.