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Bob Sendall
3rd January 2012, 07:38 PM
I found this whilst rummaging around the web, it may bring back a few memories or be of interest.

A Pathe video of the Orcades,

I AM A PASSENGER Reel 1. - British Pathe (http://www.britishpathe.com/record.php?id=78596)

Tony Morcom
3rd January 2012, 08:16 PM
That was an enjoyable glimpse into yesteryear. Thanks for posting the link Bob.:)

Mike Newell
4th January 2012, 09:02 AM
Thanks Bob.Certainly brought back memories for me . I was 4th R/O aboard her during the shooting of that film. The shots of her from the water were taken in the Adriatic, with the camera crew shooting from one of the ships boats. Yours truly was in charge of com's from the boat.
Recognised my old chief "Annie" Oakley, and the 2nd R/O a Welshhman name of Birch. Saw the 5th too but the name has gone in the mists of time. Well it is over 50 years ago now. Happy days.

Neville Roberts
4th January 2012, 02:36 PM
that was very good film , looking back at the bridge using sextants , and the radio officer using morse ,ribbon typwriters and the manual adding machines WOW we have come a long way from those days .I served on the Orontes that passed the orcades in the film or maybe it was her sister Otranto, the service looks like it does today though . there was a noticeable lack of dark people eeek.:):th_thth5952deef:

Graham Payne
4th January 2012, 03:35 PM
[QUOTE=Bob Sendall;77808]I found this



Thanks Bob
You even saw the Deckman & Deckboys.:) Happy Days ;):cool:

Tony Wilding
4th January 2012, 07:26 PM
thats a real ship, what a nice difference to the abortions they call passenger ships now. fantastic, :th_thth5952deef:

Bob Sendall
4th January 2012, 07:40 PM
Mike , can you give the film a date? I am guessing 1960 or thereabouts,

Bob Sendall

stephen flaherty
4th January 2012, 07:56 PM
Hi Bob, I was never on the Orcades but I have two ash trays from her that I bought from a car boot in Ford.
I mysellf were on the Oriana Orsova and Arcadia in the Middle 60;

Doc Vernon
4th January 2012, 09:46 PM
Hello Bob
A truly nostalgic Reel of Film there,and although i wasnt with the P&O it also brings back memories of i bet so many other great Shipping Companies in those days,like the old UCL Liners as well!
Looking at the Stewards at work on deck,the Cooks in the Galley,the Radio Officers on their sidewinders (recall my days in the RAF as wireless Op not with sidewinders though) and so many other things associated with our heydays at Sea!
Those were really good Ships,the feel of the Sea was then a true experience,not like these days with all these Huge Floating Hotels,and although they are great Building feats,to me no where near as good ! Just my thoughts!
There are other Pathe Pictorial Reels as well out there,some i have put on site quite a while ago,just need to search for them! Goodness knows where now though haha!
But i thank you for this Link,as said it is truly agreat Reel of Film!
And thanks to Pathe as well!
Cheers

I have given you a definate 5 Star rating on this Thread Bob!:thumbsup:

And here is the followup Reel 2
Cheers

http://www.britishpathe.com/record.php?id=78597

And others here!

http://www.britishpathe.com/record.php?id=81933

UCL Line

http://www.britishpathe.com/record.php?id=74945

Tony Morcom
5th January 2012, 12:40 AM
Its great to see that this film evoked some memories for the lads. Maybe we should try and get the video link forum reinstated Vernon. Yes I know we already have one for Youtube vids but you can't post the likes of this one on there. Maybe when Brian reads this he will consider it (pretty please sir):)

Red Lead Ted
5th January 2012, 01:46 AM
She was flying the blue ensign which meant her skipper would have been ex R.N. or Commodore of the fleet i reckon about 1960 i have some gr8 footage on most of the old Liners them were the days when there was work for everyone who wanted it :confused: My how times have changed. Just as a point off subject we got a t.v. set around that time 14 inch it had a back on it like a telephone box........The good old days gr8 film Regards Terry.:D

Mike Newell
5th January 2012, 08:22 AM
Re the date Bob. Looking at my dis. book it would have been around August 59, when we were Medi cruising out of Southampton. The Old man was captain Birch (RNR)

Ivan Cloherty
5th January 2012, 08:35 AM
She was flying the blue ensign which meant her skipper would have been ex R.N.

Hi Terry

Didn't have to be ex RN to fly Blue Ensign, if vessel had more than 5 crew members who were RNVR or above, including an officer then permission was given to fly Blue Ensign. We flew one in Suez 1956 and none of us were ex RN, but a lot of us were RNVR.

Nothing to do with being commodore though

As far as I remember it :rolleyes:

Ivan

Don Rafferty
5th January 2012, 12:40 PM
Thank you Bob for posting that, a real bit of nostalgia for me.

It was my first ship as a Deckboy/JOS - Mar 65-Mar 66, four trips on the immigrant run to Oz.

I must have done at least ten hours on that wheel as I got my steering ticket on her.

Many times did I clean those horns for'ard of the funnel, there was a dedicated cleaning kit locker on the bridge for them and you couldn't access the kit without first removing two signs, which had to be hung on the horn buttons either side of the bridge - DO NOT USE CLEANING IN PROGRESS.

Bob Sendall
5th January 2012, 01:06 PM
Re the date Bob)

Thanks for that, August 1959 I was working at Vauxhall Motors, Luton, however I escaped in 1960 and became a Bell Boy on the old Corfu in May 1960, what a different world!! Like the rest I wish I could do it all again.

Thanks for all the kind comments,
Bob

Graham Payne
5th January 2012, 04:43 PM
[QUOTE=Doc Vernon;77900]Hello Bob
A truly nostalgic Reel of Film there,and although i wasnt with the P&O it also brings back memories of i bet so many other great Shipping Companies in those days,like the old UCL Liners as well!
Looking at the Stewards at work on deck,the Cooks in the Galley,the Radio Officers on their sidewinders (recall my days in the RAF as wireless Op not with sidewinders though) and so many other things associated with our heydays at Sea!
Those were really good Ships,the feel of the Sea was then a true experience,not like these days with all these Huge Floating Hotels,and although they are great Building feats,to me no where near as good ! Just my thoughts!
There are other Pathe Pictorial Reels as well out there,some i have put on site quite a while ago,just need to search for them! Goodness knows where now though haha!
But i thank you for this Link,as said it is truly agreat Reel of Film!
And thanks to Pathe as well!
Cheers

I have given you a definate 5 Star rating on this Thread Bob!:thumbsup:

And here is the followup Reel 2
Cheers

I AM A PASSENGER Reel 2. - British Pathe (http://www.britishpathe.com/record.php?id=78597)

And others here!

THREE SEASONS ( reels 1 & 2 ) - British Pathe (http://www.britishpathe.com/record.php?id=81933)

UCL Line

UNION CASTLE LINE (aka CASTLES IN (or ON) THE SEA) (aka HOLIDAY AHOY) - British Pathe (http://www.britishpathe.com/record.php?id=74945)[/QUOTE

Hi Doc

Do you know the full film http//www etc etc for the "Orcades ? :confused:
sorry to be thick but I know my mate in Aus would love to see it and I dont know how to foreward it, if you could please could you type in the full (http etc etc) for the film I could then e-mail him :)

Tony Morcom
5th January 2012, 07:05 PM
Here are the links you want Graham ( Doc Vernon will be sleeping at the moment)

Reel One: http://www.britishpathe.com/record.php?id=78596

Reel Two: http://www.britishpathe.com/record.php?id=78597

All you need to do is to copy and paste these into your email and your friend will be able to click straight on them as they are Hyperlinks.

Cheers

jenny
5th January 2012, 07:31 PM
Wonderful ship, I was passenger Xmas 1959. We left Suva Xmas eve after a day up the pub and all the drunken Aussies were diving in the pool, didnt realise that for their own safety they had started to empty it. Some idiot then dived in, was empty ofcourse, they carted him off, never saw him again, must have spent alot of time in the sick bay.Another drunk had his tap cut a day out of Auckland, he must have thought enough was enough and threw himself over the side. His body was retrieved some time later by life boat but they had a terrible time trying to find him. I wonder if any of the lads on site were on her that trip

donald w gillies
5th January 2012, 09:43 PM
Thank you Bob for taking me on that lovely trip it brings back many good memories (and a little tear) from bygone days, never to return, how privileged we were to have been there,
It was a different world then, comradeship and teamwork and i must agree with Doc, Real ships where you got the true experience of the sea,
Thanks again.
Donald w.

Red Lead Ted
5th January 2012, 11:17 PM
Didn't have to be ex RN....

It is widely tought that Titanic flew the blue ensign on her maiden voyage no EX R.N or RNRV ??? She was aloud to fly the blue ensign because her skipper signed his name Commodore of the fleet Captain Smith check for yourself m8 Regards Terry.:cool:

Mike Newell
6th January 2012, 09:17 AM
I was aboard for that trip Jenny, although I can't remember the incidents you mention. Certainly was a lot of partying though I do remember that !:) Good ship and good mates. Oh to be 20 again.

Ivan Cloherty
6th January 2012, 09:30 AM
It is widely tought that Titanic flew

Hi Terry

I always stand to be corrected, but you know what thought did, methinks the rules may have changed since that day, even if the "thought" was "fact" then

No doubt amongst all the wealth of knowledge and great expertise on this site we will both learn the truth very shortly.

I can only go from my own experience of an actual fact in my life and being told that at that time. Our skipper certainly wasn't the commodore of the fleet, although we were lead ship of the convoy.

Kind regards

Ivan

Graham Payne
6th January 2012, 01:24 PM
Many thanks for the info Tony,
however I will write the info down and retype it,
copy and paste a different language . ARGHH.

jenny
6th January 2012, 03:14 PM
Hi Mike, you would have known something was up when they turned the ship around so fast everything went flying. I am hoping I got the date right, I was 18yrs old at the time. I spent most days propped up at the bar by the swimming pool. She was a great ship as was the Orsova, went to the States on her.

Don Rafferty
6th January 2012, 03:36 PM
"copy and paste a different language . ARGHH. "


Not sure how you're trying to do it Graham, if with the mouse, I find it frustrating!!

I do it with the keyboard - first highlight with the mouse the passage you want to copy, then press Ctrl+ C - that will 'copy' it, then go to where you wish to place it and press Ctrl+V - that will 'paste' it.

Red Lead Ted
6th January 2012, 07:16 PM
Hi Terry I always stand to be corrected

I am not for one minute trying to correct you m8 the more i read into it the more we both have a valid point . Although commander captain smith was allowed to fly either ensign on any Merchant vessel under his command he was RNR Although through rank only he never served in the R.N.When you say things are different today the clip of the ORCADES It has been established was 1960 thats 52yrs ago i have a very good friend deck officer who is due home at the end of the month i am also in touch with a serving sea captain who i have emailed so for now we shall agree to disagree that ok with you buddy Regards Ivan Terry.;)

Ivan Cloherty
7th January 2012, 09:02 AM
Hi Terry

Thanks for that, I wasn't for one moment doubting the veracity of your posts, just telling it as I was told at the time when we were flying the Blue Ensign, so not disagreeing with anything you say. Lets hope some authority can lead us towards the light, not so that we can vindicate what we have said, but more in the spirit of learning what is fact because things do become misty in the passing of time, and I do like a good fact :rolleyes:

Graham Payne
7th January 2012, 01:47 PM
I do it with the keyboard

Don,
you are a diamond,
the ctrl + thing seemed to have worked, it lit up in a different colour when I e-mailed :)
Many thanks to you and Tony.:Thanx:

Captain Kong
7th January 2012, 04:52 PM
BLUE ENSIGN.............
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.Navy List regulations, 2005
Current rules on merchant ships entitled to fly the Blue Ensign:

ROYAL NAVAL RESERVE AND OTHER VESSELS AUTHORISED TO FLY THE BLUE ENSIGN IN MERCHANT VESSELS (FOREIGN OR HOME TRADE ARTICLES) AND FISHING VESSELS.
A list of Royal Naval Reserve and other vessels authorised to fl y the Blue Ensign will no longer be published in the Navy List.
Its inclusion was intended for the information of Captains of Her Majesty’s Ships with reference to the provisions of Article 9153 of the Queen’s Regulations for the Royal Navy under which they are authorised to ascertain whether British Merchant Ships (including Fishing Vessels) flying the Blue Ensign of Her Majesty’s Fleet are legally entitled to do so.
However, the usefulness of this list serves only a limited purpose as the list of vessels that could fl y the Blue Ensign can change frequently. British merchant ships and fishing vessels are allowed to wear the plain Blue Ensign under the authority of a special Warrant, subject to certain conditions being fulfilled, and which are outlined below.
Vessels registered on the British Registry of Shipping may wear a plain Blue Ensign providing the master or skipper is in possession of a warrant issued by the Director of Naval Reserves under the authority of the Secretary of State for Defence, and the additional conditions outlined below are fulfilled. The Blue Ensign is to be struck if the officer to whom the warrant was issued relinquishes command, or if the ship or vessel passes into foreign ownership and ceases to be a British ship as defined by MSA 95.
Vessels on Parts I, II, and IV of the Register. The master must be an officer of the rank of lieutenant RN/RMR or Captain RM/RMR or above in the Royal Fleet Reserve or the maritime forces of a United Kingdom Overseas Territory or Commonwealth country of which Her Majesty is Head of State, or an officer on the Active or Retired Lists of any branch of the maritime reserve forces of these countries or territories.
Vessels on Part II of the Register. This part of the Register is reserved for fishing vessels. The skipper must comply with the same criteria as for sub-Clause 4.a. above, however the crew must contain at least four members, each of whom fulfils at least one of the following criteria: Royal Naval or Royal Marines reservists or pensioners Reservists or pensioners from a Commonwealth monarchy or United Kingdom Overseas Territory Ex-ratings or Royal Marines who have completed twenty years service in the Reserves Members of the Royal Fleet Reserve.
Action on sighting a merchant ship wearing a Blue Ensign. The Commanding Officer of one of HM ships on meeting a vessel wearing the Blue Ensign may send on board a commissioned officer to confirm that the criteria outlined above are being met in full. If it is found that the ship is wearing a Blue Ensign, without authority of a proper warrant, the ensign is to be seized, taken away and forfeited to The Sovereign and the circumstances reported to the Director Naval Reserves, acting on behalf of the Commander in Chief Naval Home Command, who maintains the list of persons authorised to hold such warrants. However, if it is found that, despite the warrant being sighted, the ship is failing to comply with the criteria in some other particular, the ensign is not to be seized but the circumstances are to be reported to the Director.
Source: The Navy List (2006) (p. 287)

Andrew Thomas, 14 November 2005

.
. I sailed on the Queen Mary 2, on her maiden voyage, the Master was Commodore Ron Warwick, RNR.
Most of the Officers were RNR.
I asked the Commodore why , if he could fly the Blue Ensign was he flying the Red Ensign, he replied that he preffered the Red Ensign. the colour was better.
So there you have it.
Cheers
Brian

Charlie Hannah
8th January 2012, 01:39 AM
Brian, he must have been a Liverpool supporter

Red Lead Ted
8th January 2012, 01:47 AM
That was my experience exactly, I remember sailing from Lpool on a strath boat as for the reason you mention we flew the Blue Ensign. I automatically thought the skipper was ex R.N. not the case on our return to pay off in Avon mouth the bosun told me to go to the bridge and obtain the ensign but be sure to get the skippers decision. The skipper was on the bridge and pointed to the pigeon hole containing the red ensign his decision entirely. Lets hope that satisfies Ivan i am happy wth what you have dug up Regards to you both Terry. :thumb_ship:

Red Lead Ted
8th January 2012, 02:03 AM
After your time in Jamaica and the cages it seems you have more on your plate than you realize do you recognize Hester in the front of the pic she remembers you a few of them fine offsprings resemble you :D:D:D Terry.

Ivan Cloherty
8th January 2012, 09:05 AM
Lets hope that satisfies Ivan
Of course it does Terry, why wouldn't it M8 :D

Keith Tindell
8th January 2012, 09:19 AM
Just to chuck another flag conundrum in to the subject, the white ensign can be flown on a private vessel, yacht, motor boat etc, if the owner is a member of the Royal Yacht Squadron Cowes. The annoying thing is he will use his membership of that to gain access to your club facilities as a visitor, but you have as much chance of using your membership to get into the RYS as plaiting sawdust. Keith Tindell

Captain Kong
8th January 2012, 11:45 AM
Kong You A Glutten 4 Punishment

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After your time in Jamaica and the cages it seems you have more on your plate than you realize do you recognize Hester in the front of the pic she remembers you a few of them fine offsprings resemble you Terry.

OMG, dont tell her I am here, I stayed with her in her shack the Blue Mountains above Kingston.
Memories, Happy Days. early retirement when I was 18/19.
Then the Police messed it up.
Say nothing.
Brian

Red Lead Ted
8th January 2012, 06:27 PM
Kong You A Glutten 4 Punishment

When i spent a few years with Harrisons 2 fat 1 lean of Lpool i lost count how many times i was in KINGSTON Everyone would shake in there boots,,,,,,,,, Never go ashore here m8 you wont come back you will be homeward bound in an envolope. Me being me i was standing at the top of the gangway one evening sod it i thought i ordered a taxi the taxi driver looked at me with eyes like a giant squid were u goin man :D: Take me to the night life :rolleyes: I walked into a bar and ordered a beer i was there for hours i think the locals must have thought this guy has got some front i had a ball and returned in one piece after also buying a very rare recording by a guy named Jimmy Cliff which one of the locals took me for its worth a right few quid. I have to be honest i sailed to every island in the West Indies and never once came up against {WAIT FOR IT}.........................RACISM Regards m8 Terry.p.s.It takes a worried man to sing a worried song ;)

Tony Morcom
8th January 2012, 11:18 PM
A new permanent link to these films has now been added to the new Film Links to Our Memories forum which can be found in the Link Development Section.

Michael Bennett
9th January 2012, 06:14 AM
Brings back memories when I was a deck boy on the Oronsay, Thanks for that.
Wiggy
:th_thth5952deef:

---------- Post added at 06:14 AM ---------- Previous post was at 05:42 AM ----------

Where can I get this Icon its great:th_thth5952deef:
Wiggy

happy daze john in oz
10th January 2012, 05:10 AM
Just to chuck another flag conundrum in to the subject, the white ensign can be flown on a private vessel, yacht, motor boat etc, if the owner is a member of the Royal Yacht Squadron Cowes. The annoying thing is he will use his membership of that to gain access to your club facilities as a visitor, but you have as much chance of using your membership to get into the RYS as plaiting sawdust. Keith Tindell

June 1997 Queens silver jubilee. Only flag I could find to fly in the pub we owned was a White Ensign that was 'borrowed' from Chatham ship yard. No one compalined.

David Williams
10th January 2012, 01:51 PM
Hi Bob.
I sailed on her way back in the fifties,watching
this brought back some pleasant memories.Thanks

Dave Williams

David Dickinson
21st January 2012, 06:07 AM
Well done and a great reminder of my time aboard Orient Line ships, "Otranto "Orsova" and "Orontes" in the early middle '50s as an Assistant Purser and subsequently joining the Company in Australia until 1986! Regards David Dickinson.

happy daze john in oz
28th January 2012, 04:51 AM
Out of curiosity when did Orient line become P&O?

Mike Newell
29th January 2012, 06:56 PM
Orient Line merged with P & O in 1960, but the Orient Liners retained their distinctive corn coloured hulls for some time after that. In the case of Orcades, she was repainted in the white of P & O during her 1964 refit.