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    #55... John in Oz everything your crane driving friend says is true as he sees it is true and had its birth in our time which he will not know about and involved lay time, demurrage , time started, stoppages due to machinery breakdown, stoppages due to weather , stoppages due to union involvement, and various other rules all involving money, all contained in the Charter Party Document and held by various party’s including the ship. This was the birth of your so many containers an hour and involves money, everything in the world of commerce is geared up to money. With the old Derrick system on ships although they were stamped 5 and 10 tons SWL with all the associated wires ropes and shackles the appropriate SWL. This was for a single derrick and not a union purchase which most ships used to facilitate speed of loading or discharging. Your SWL was much reduced when you did so and most people chose to ignore that. On oil rigs the big money loser is drilliing, on a rig costing 100,000 pounds a day to hire
    the oil company wants thehole drilled yesterday so as to get the rig off hire, and drilling is number one priority and woe betide anyone who causes delay. So safety takes a secondary place no matter what anyone tells you tothe contrary. This includes shipping delivering various drill pipe and casing in some really hairy weather conditions. Everything today is much more geared up to time, so for time read money. Cheers. JWS. PS as regards SWLs the old rule of thumb was that the SWL was one third of the Breaking Strain and. This was probably a contributory factor for so much nonchalance in exceeding the SWL at times. JWS.
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    Yes John, times certainly have changed.
    But despite all the problems of times now long gone it was only a matter of time before new systems would take over from the old.
    Happens in all industries, but for those of us who knew the old ways it can be hard to accept the changes.
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    Hi John S.
    I remember two of us clewing up a ship in Fiji. One in the duel cab driving the runners on two derricks, pulling the lids down one riding the front wheel with a spike in, it pulling it out and letting all the lids drop, then one would go up the mast and the other would lift the both derricks to the top and the one up the mast would clamp them off. We did the whole ship in a few hours. Not in the lest worried in those days by H$S.
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    Quote Originally Posted by happy daze john in oz View Post
    Yes John, times certainly have changed.
    But despite all the problems of times now long gone it was only a matter of time before new systems would take over from the old.
    Happens in all industries, but for those of us who knew the old ways it can be hard to accept the changes.
    John in Oz.
    Yes modern systems can be difficult to adapt to but regarding seafaring the buzz going round is all about autonomous ships, zooming around the world controlled by someone sitting in a darkened room thousands of miles away.
    Yet the head of the largest shipping company, Maersk, who is not all that old, has recently stated he does not expect to see them in his lifetime, nor would be want them. He says that modern technology has allowed them to reduce crewing costs to its lowest safe level and he could not envisage his 22,000 t.e.u. vessels sailing without some human input on board because as he says, despite all of today's advances, once your vessel clears port it is subject to factors such as weather that are beyond the capabilities of remote control, u˝like a land based operation that can be controlled or shut down by a simple switch.
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    The yanks being very similar to the Brits in keeping their own systems and buying their petrol by the gallon, and speed limits in MPH

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    I buy by the litre , but do MPH and MPG
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    Quote Originally Posted by John Arton View Post
    John in Oz.
    Yes modern systems can be difficult to adapt to but regarding seafaring the buzz going round is all about autonomous ships, zooming around the world controlled by someone sitting in a darkened room thousands of miles away.
    Yet the head of the largest shipping company, Maersk, who is not all that old, has recently stated he does not expect to see them in his lifetime, nor would be want them. He says that modern technology has allowed them to reduce crewing costs to its lowest safe level and he could not envisage his 22,000 t.e.u. vessels sailing without some human input on board because as he says, despite all of today's advances, once your vessel clears port it is subject to factors such as weather that are beyond the capabilities of remote control, u˝like a land based operation that can be controlled or shut down by a simple switch.
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    Thanks for that John, and yes he is correct about manning levels.
    Have seen some of those big ships here in Melbourne and the crew level is so low you wonder how they manage.
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    I assume the microwave / deep freezers are not subject to the tantrums of the ship's cook , but never as creative
    Rob Page R855150 - British & Commonwealth Shipping ( 1965 - 1973 ) Gulf Oil -( 1973 - 1975 ) Sealink ( 1975 - 1986 )

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