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19th February 2019, 08:10 AM
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Re: Fresh Water
Our problems here are natural causes though John. The ship shortages were man made. Either through ignorance or the seeking of monetary gain. As regards the idea of overloading a ship is totally against my principles. Once when loading a steel cargo in Chiba Japan for the eastern seaboard of the US. The Head stevedore came up to me and asked how far over the plimsolls I wanted to go. ? He got a reply I won’t repeat, however he informed me the ship he had just completed loading was 6 inches over, she was of course a Greek.No doubt many made money on such methods of bypassing the regulations . Cheers JS
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19th February 2019, 09:58 AM
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19th February 2019, 09:59 AM
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Re: Fresh Water
The subject of water is very interesting. We can all live without gold , diamonds , mansions and soon without oil as technology advances in battery power combined with green energy.
We cannot live without water which makes it the most valuable natural resource. If the world weather patterns continue to change countries with borders will begin to dam or divert rivers to prevent them flowing into neighbouring countries. Oil wars will be the past , water wars the future.
I was also on a ship were fresh water tanks were partially pumped out to load more cargo , this was a full cargo of bagged fertilizer bound for Shanghai. It took six weeks to get there.
John when you give your talk make sure the plate is passed round at least twice before the doors are unlocked to let the audience out.
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19th February 2019, 10:15 AM
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Re: Fresh Water
#12... as you say Rob. However what about the plumbing to go with the water. Vector offshore who I think are still in that part of the industry as said in a previous post, I. Brought out the first one, and know that not perfect was closer to the requirements needed. She was a converted supply vessel. Had fresh water showers all over the ship outside and inside , gas detectors also. 2 frcs and the crew amounts as suggested by Lord Cullen what I saw and heard of others there was very little change in attitude before I left the UK. Back to square one I should imagine. As said and repeat these ships were the last one should expect rescue missions conducted from. That was not the job description , their use was to launch a boat to pick up someone falling off the rig. This was purely expected to be their function and not as made out to be rescue vessels themselves. The media once again sticks it’s foot in its mouth. JS
#13... Louis I hope the audience doesn’t turn up. If I was going to pass a plate round it would be a bucket. Maybe with heaving line on it. Would say it was for the Louis the flys benevolent fund. Cheers JS
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19th February 2019, 10:21 AM
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Re: Fresh Water
The plumbing whilst being important John needs a bloody great big calorifier to get the water nice and hot the bust the oil off the skin and I would think buckets full of byprox , as well as some decent as we all know trying to get crude oil off your skin is a bloody nightmare sometimes it's easier to take the skin off . So with the calorifier you then need a donkey boiler or a big heat source suddenly you've be got a massive design job on your hands if you don't do it right it won't work
Rob Page R855150 - British & Commonwealth Shipping ( 1965 - 1973 ) Gulf Oil -( 1973 - 1975 ) Sealink ( 1975 - 1986 )
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19th February 2019, 10:21 AM
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19th February 2019, 10:25 AM
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Re: Fresh Water
At the time of the Salisbury nerve gas poisoning I was listening to somebody on World Service and they were discussing nerve gas agents and I believe he quoted that a litre of a particular substance could pollute every major water source in northern Europe I can't remember what it is it might have been related to Sarin . Why do you consider as a nap case in a VW campervan with a litre bottle of nerve gas a plastic boiler suit rubber wellies and a face mask could easily kill hundreds of millions of people it is beyond belief
Rob Page R855150 - British & Commonwealth Shipping ( 1965 - 1973 ) Gulf Oil -( 1973 - 1975 ) Sealink ( 1975 - 1986 )
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19th February 2019, 10:34 AM
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What twisted minds go into the discovery of such pollutants. JS.
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19th February 2019, 10:38 AM
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19th February 2019, 11:31 AM
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Re: Fresh Water
#12... Rob what I can remember of water consumptions on the average cargoship with say 40 of a crew was about 8 tons a day. Fortuanetley on deep sea vessels drinking water and domestic water were kept in seperate tanks. On the trawlers I was on it was all in one communal tank. If doing a 6 week passage . Would require a minimum of 336 long tons of F.W. And that’s without emergency reserves.which if.you applied the same rule as for fuel plus 30% would mean sailing with say 450 tons of fresh water , plus what you had in the. ER feed tanks. Today with evaporators and distillers the same ships sail with about 20 tons of water , and usually arrive at their destination with more than what they sailed with. So one can assume the. Shipowners made at least 500 tons extra cargo carrying capacity. That must of at least paid a good percentage of the crews wages bill. Taking this further into the scientific realms of the future with unmanned ships , the ships constant was usually about 80 tons this to cover stores and crew , which was also about 2 inches on the plimsolls. So when the robot ships come . They won’t require all these figures which will be surplus to requirements. So there will be at least 600 tons more cargo capacity. All that is required then is to get that 18 ton a day fuel down to more acceptable levels. God knows what the insurance is going to be like though. Cheers JS
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