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    Somewhere in the good book it is said to love your fellow man. This is what is preached by our self gratification seekers usually politicians as it isn’t costing them anything. It is an unobtainable target as even on this site and the big wide world outside of it , petty differences are continuous and in some cases just smoulder until bursting into flames. Trump to me is the President of the United States and should receive the benefits of that high office whether personallly disliked or not. The people who dislike him the most are those who don’t like his demeanour, I. Don’t particularly like it either. He appears to be talking in baby language to a slow learner. There is probably good reason for this in his book, and that is he is trying to get his message across to everyone from Einstein’s of this world to the second cousins to Neathandral man. He is also fighting a press who he has no regard for and slights them when and where he wants. They have long and venemous memories do our vipers who produce the printed word. His predessors and as most politicians world wide fawn on the media as a means of gaining popularity. Trumps good points if he has any is he speaks his mind regardless, he is not a soft touch like some of his predessors, he is a patriot for his own country, and to a lot of people he has achieved more than he will ever be given credit for by an unforgiving press and his dislikers. He is a 77 year old man doing a job the way he sees it. And if nothing else he has made the rest of the world sit up and take notice that those who had their hands in America’s pocket their days are over. Already the plans for the future after he is gone will be getting drawn up by various nations who will hope to get back on the band wagon again. So whether he is disliked personally or not is immaterial to him he is there for the good of the believers. There is one other big reason why I would never vote for our present incumbent leader of the opposition here in Australia , as when Trump was doing the rounds before becoming President he was befouling his name and suggesting all sorts of things, and if I was Trump I would cut him off at the knees. Trump is human the same as everyone else , love him or hate him is anyone’s choice , myself. I look on him as the leader of a nation , until his term of office is completed. As regards Russia having any say on his gaining the Presidency is a load of rubbish, by the same terms of reference Australia should be investigated for trying to do the opposite by the leader of the labor party. JS...
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    Johno,

    The Mueller Special Council into the 2016 elections indicted three Russian companies: The Internet Research Agency and It's two financial company backers along with 12 Employees and its alleged financier Yevgeny Prigozain, closely allied to Putin.

    These companies and individuals allegedly attempted to interfere with the outcome of the 2016 election.

    It matters not whether they actually succeeded or not, under the law INTENT to commit a crime is a criminal offence. They allegedly invaded, via the internet, the political offices and facebook to spread false information with the INTENT to downplay Clinton for Trump's gain. That is against the law.

    Five Trump aides have been charged, all have coped a plea deal and admitted to lying under oath. And Mueller is moving ever closer to the top man and his family. It is almost beyond belief how no leaks have come from the Special Council. It's tighter than a drum, and all five, as part of their plea deal have squealed like a pigs going to the slaughter. Information comes out only from and when Mueller releases it...a steady drip, drip, ever closer.

    Okay, the women: As you probably know, one is a porn-star, the other is/was a Playboy Bunny and model (?). The porn-star was paid by Trump through Cohen to keep her mouth shut about her affair (which Trump denies) with Donald Trump. Probably the first porn star in history paid to close her mouth. I digress, I'm sorry. This money was paid to her while Trump was running for the office of president. There was a contractual agreement of confidentiality as part of the agreement. Trump denies any knowledge, but Cohen released a taped phone conversation of them both discussing how the payment would be paid. there are supposedly further tapes and correspondence in Mueller's possession .

    Here is the problem, the accusation in the payment to Stormy Daniels, the porn-star is that she was paid out of campaign funds which was funded by political contributions and hid. Funds must only be used as campaign funds to cover costs, not for personal use. That is against the law. And fees for sexual services or hush money is not a legitimate campaign expenses.

    The Bunny:

    Karen McDougal sold her story of Trump's alleged extra-marital affair to a magazine (primarily geared to those with the IQ of a seven year old) sold mainly at supermarket check-outs. She was payed $120,000 for the article. Her contract said non-disclosure and subject confidentiality. The article was supposedly to come out just before the 2016 elections. The article was never published. The CEO of the magazine, "The National Enquirer," admitted that in collusion with Donald Trump, they paid "The Bunny" then killed the article, before the election, as it would ruin Trumps chance of winning by losing votes from the religious right (evangelicals). The CEO is as I write coping a plea and squealing.

    Both of these payments are considered hush money with the intent to change the out come of the election and are illegal, as is using campaign contributions funds for personal gain, immoral acts, non disclosure of an act to change the outcome of an election and involves serious jail time and fines.

    Numerous aides of Trump are either coping a plea, or in the process of being charged. This is exactly what happened to Nixon, the noose slowly tightening as confidents and aides started to tell all to save their skins until just the top ones are left to carry the can.

    And Mueller is moving ever closer to the top man and his family. It is almost beyond belief how no leaks have come from the Special Council. It's tighter than a drum, and all five, as part of their plea deal have squealed like a pigs going to the slaughter. Information comes out only from and when Mueller releases it...a steady drip, drip, ever closer.

    MICHAEL COHEN was sentenced to three years in prison for tax evasion, making false statements to a federally insured bank, and campaign finance violations. With good words put in for leniency from Mueller for telling all.

    Five others have copped a plea in return for full cooperation with Mueller two are in jail, three are awaiting sentencing.

    Until December 31st, the Republicans have/had the chairpersons and majority positions of all congressional committees plus a majority in the House of Representatives, thus have been able to squash or ignore any efforts to investigate any malfeasance. This will stop on January 1st 2019, as the majority party will be the Democrat party and control all the committees.

    These are not minor crimes Johno, Trump is very concerned, while he can't be charged and tried while President, he can be once he leaves office and he faces serious jail time if found guilty. Rumors are about that he could cop a plea and offer to resign (a la Nixon) and squash all charges. We'll have to see.

    Cheers, Rodders

    PS. The latest: Allen Wesseiberg, Chief Financial Officer of the Trump Organization has accepted an offer of a grant of immunity from prosecution by the New York, Southern District, Prosecutors Office in return for full cooperation...drip, drip, drip...He, He, He. They are the office that busted Aide Manifort, he is awaiting sentencing.

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    Possibly, just me but - your man has always seemed at least a sausage roll, scotch egg some salmon,
    a few plates, cutlery, a location and pos no grog short of a picnic. Guess the whine fits, twittered invites
    suit if on twitter. We have a world cup coming up in football, Canada / USA, Mexico etc - not the best time
    to put a wall up ?


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    As far as I am concerned normal quarantine laws should be used officially to keep the rabble out and should give time to build his wall.The same should apply in Europe if it wasn’t being used for other dirty uses. JS

    E.g. on entering Canada in 1967. To work on a Canadian Ship owned by Americans. I had to be checked for VD, AIDS. Lung consumption , and various other complaints. The same in Australia in 1991.
    This was health checks which took time and money to perform.
    Today you have thousands crossing borders ad lib. What happened to health one might add. Or was it just a try on at the time.
    Errata... there was no check for AIDS in 1967 in Canada just VD. Which included the Wasserman test for Syphilis No doubt the AIDS test is there for Canada now , as was in Australia in 1991.
    Indian seamen when joining British ships had to carry their own chest x rays and had to produce on joining to show they had no TB, needless to say there was probably a going trade in the bazaars to the selling of clear ones,as a lot of what I saw their owners seemed to be dying on their feet. Britain can well clap itself on the back for its NHI system , but with the thousands of foreigners who abuse it they should think long and hard about it. To me I would think all of 5 seconds and keep the baskets out. Which come Brexit I hope they have people with gumption to do so. Cheers JS
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodney Mills View Post

    PS. The latest: Allen Wesseiberg, Chief Financial Officer of the Trump Organization has accepted an offer of a grant of immunity from prosecution by the New York, Southern District, Prosecutors Office in return for full cooperation...drip, drip, drip...He, He, He. They are the office that busted Aide Manifort, he is awaiting sentencing.


    Fingers crossed, can he be impeached or would prosecution come after he leaves office?

    K.

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    Keith at T. re.#315.

    Yes a sitting president and/or vice-president can be impeached: Yes they can face civil charges after office.

    The USA Constitution Article11, Section 4. The House of Representative can bring charges of impeachment, but the Senate tries the president and/or vice-President.


    As of Jan 1st, the Democrats will have the majority in Congress/the House of Representatives. Republicans will remain with a majority in the Senate.


    Here's the problem. The Constitution reads: "The President, Vice-President, and all civil officers of the United States shall be removed from office on impeachment for, and conviction of, treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors."


    Treason and bribery are clear, no question on them. But what exactly constitutes an "other high crime and misdemeanors" ? it's argued, legally on each and every threat of impeachment.


    It is a long shot that this President would be impeached. No Republican official would want to say no to impeachment and lose his Republican centrist or Republicans just plain fed up with Trump, or lose the hard-right and Trump supporters to the end voters with a yes to impeachment.

    it's a no win situation for Republican running for re-election in 2020.


    Democrats could bring the charges in the House as they have the votes, but would lose in the Senate.


    So as it stands today it's a no gainer for the Dems, nothing to win, all to lose. Of course who knows what's coming down the pipe when the Mueller Report is published


    I kind of think, and it's off the wall right now, that Trump will offer to resign and get amnesty from all charges and part of the deal will be to remove all civil charges that possibly face him down the road too.


    According to what I read and based on the charges brought and guilty pleas of his top aides and jail time after plea bargaining, he has got a s#@t-storm coming down and faces some serious charges and jail time if proven guilty.


    Hope this helps you understand a very complex situation.


    Trump's Cabinet Secretary of the Interior has resigned in order to put a halt to the high legal bills concurring which put his family in financial jeopardy, he faces 15 charges to-date. Illegal land deals, Ethic violations, use of improper influence, etc. etc. (And another one bites the dust).

    Cheers, Rodney
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    Lewis,

    I re-read your post on the other thread about the Democratic leader of the House Nancy Pellosi and the Dem, leader of the Senate Chuck Schumer and Donald Trump's meeting in the White House.


    Trump dropped a great big clanger in that meeting that the Republicans are fuming over. He threatened Nancy Pellosi that he would shut down the government if he didn't get his $5billion to build his wall and it would be called the "Democrats shutdown."


    She reminded him that Mexico was supposed to pay for it, now he wants the taxpayer to pay for it..."it's your wall isn't it Mr. President." she said sweetly and he agreed. "We are not shutting down the government, you are...are you too afraid to admit that if you don't get your wall YOU will shut down the government?" He snapped back "Okay, I'll shut down the government!" Then she added even more sweetly "Then it will be called a Trump shutdown wont it." "Yes!" he replied.

    (not verbatim, but close).

    Most of our newspapers and TV stationed (Except Fox and Merdoc papers) jumped on it. "Pellosi out smarts Trump, he owns a shutdown."


    Rodney

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    Thanks for all of that Rodders,
    as one man once said, 'we live in troubled times'.

    Pence one assumes would take over as president until the next election should Trump go.
    But will it come to that?
    Happy daze John in Oz.

    Life is too short to blend in.

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    Johno.

    If Trump resigns or is impeached and found guilty, or ruled mentally or physically incapable of governing, the vice-president become president. Pence is a strong evangelical Christian. Noted for saying prayers before every meeting HE calls, and expecting those in attendance to join him. Publicly he shares Trumps views and is loyal to a fault. That might change when and if he was in power. I look upon him as Trump lite.


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    John.
    I docked in Galveston and again in New Orleans back in 1955 and 56. I only remember that I filled in a sort of landing card, similar to the ones we used today upon my arrival arrival in the E.U., this year, and Oz and the U.K. when I was a back-packer. I don't remember any questions about being a commie or having insanity in the family etc..

    I emigrated from Winnipeg, Canada. in 1962 with a wife and child, We had to see a consulate approved doctor, my ex-wife and I had to have an x-ray of the chest and very routine look over and our 6month old son just a listen to his heart. then back to the consulate. In an office for an interview which was a consulate officer looking at our paper work, then it was raise your right hands. We repeated I think it was the pledge of allegiance, and he said "Welcome to the United States."


    We told him we were checked into a hotel and it was a weekend and how long would it take to get our passports and papers back, "He answered, "Come back at four thirty, I'll rush them through for you."


    We checked out rushed back, collected the visas, taxi to the train station caught 5:45pm train and on our way to California. They couldn't have been more helpful to us if they tried. No odd-ball questions. Just a lot of paper work, Confirmation from the Southend-On-Sea and Edmonton, London police that we had no criminal records, things like that.


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