Can anyone help me interpret a CR10 identity card from 1918?

[Hugh]

Ali, RE: is there anything I can find out using the number of his identity certificate?
This could be helpful as it should help identify him etc.
K.

Unfortunately the ID no or RS2 is not much good for research purposes. You really want his Dis. A number which is not shown on the card.
The card does not give up alot of information. RG is Registrar General - it wont help you at all. CBP i don't know but I would doubt very much it has anything to do with US Customs and Border Protection.

The only information of value on the card apart from his photo is the ship CHIGNECTO official number 98870 - the Ship's Official Logbook including the Crew Agreement for 1918 is held at The Memorial University in Newfoundland, Canada.
Maritime History Archive
Memorial University of Newfoundland
St. John's, NL
A1C 5S7

Phone: 709-864-8428

E-mail: mha@mun.ca

Hope that helps.

Regards
Hugh

[Doc Vernon]

Just adding what you may already have ??
Cheers

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[Doc Vernon]

Not sure here but looks like he may have been in the Italian Army Core ??
Says release refused?? dated 1941
Cheers

[Keith at Tregenna]

Do we have a date / place of death ?

K.

[Ali Mair]

Thank you all so much for your help!

On FindMyPast his record comes under "Britain, enemy aliens and internees". Does anyone know whether this means he was interned, and possibly if the "release refused" note (as posted by Doc) might mean he was refused release from an internment camp? I've been reading a bit here: The Italian Connection — The Official Gateway to Scotland but I really don't know anything else about what happened to Italians during WW2.

Unfortunately I don't have any information about his death. The last reference to him that I've been able to find is the release refused note, as posted above by Doc (well actually the top image in Doc's post which is dated 1943 - although I don't know what it refers to exactly. It says "not recom." Could "R/A ILB" refer to an internment camp maybe?

[Ali Mair]

Could "R/A ILB" refer to an internment camp maybe?

Actually I found the same document again in a list of internees released in 1943-1944, so he was interned on the Isle of Man, and was released November 1943 - I think "R/A" must mean "Release agreed" and then not sure what "ILB" means, I guess it could be the initials of the person authorising the release

[gray_marian]

Hi Ali, From Ancestry UK, Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960:
Name: T? Medinelli
Birth Date: abt 1902
Age: 17
Port of Departure: St John, New Brunswick, Canada
Arrival Date: 14 Feb 1919
Port of Arrival: Liverpool, England
Ship Name: Minnedosa
Shipping line: Canadian Pacific Line
Official Number: 142717
Home address: 5, Hamilton St,Greenock,former burgh within the historic county of Renfrewshire,
Rank: Steward
Born: Italy

oops, just noticed ship didn't sail will keep looking

[Keith at Tregenna]

Actually I found the same document again in a list of internees released in 1943-1944, so he was interned on the Isle of Man, and was released November 1943 - I think "R/A" must mean "Release agreed" and then not sure what "ILB" means, I guess it could be the initials of the person authorising the release

Possibly, related to his intern status ? theory I am looking at, nothing concrete yet.

1lb ration allowance not likely, no forced labour - possible ? International Labour Bureau / board - Geneva Convention ?

Still a challenge thus far, interesting. K

[gray_marian]

From the LIBRARY & ARCHIVE SERVICE
INTERNMENT DURING
WORLD WARS 1 & 2
THE ISLE OF MAN’S ROLE:

"For WW2 a partial listing exists for internees, this is much more complete for the smaller number of women, [4,000+], than men due to the survival of around 75% of their wartime registration cards. The equivalent men’s cards were unfortunately destroyed after the war"

Ali, do you know if he left family behind in Scotland, and if so what area? In 1934, there was/is a townhouse, 22, Park Circus in Glasgow, called Casa D'Italia

The building was utilised as an Italian social club and then as a regional Italian consulate after WW2. It created a base for important and high-ranking Italians from across the country to meet socially and for business but The Casa D'Italia was also considered as a place for the Italian community, to encourage culture and identity through the social club, society dinners and language classes for children until 1989. Any documentation if deemed important left there before renovation in 1990 may be lodged with:

The Mitchell Library in the city. Telephone 0141 287 2999 email:libraries@glasgowlife.org.uk

Inverclyde Libraries,Telephone 01475 712330 email: library.central@inverclyde.gov.uk
Wallace Place, Greenock, PA15 1JB

Or, The Italian Consular Agency in Greenock UK - 4, Brougham Street - Greenock PA16 8AA
email: elisalamb@gmail.com

Italian Honorary Consulate in Glasgow, Telephone 0141 227 8051
email: italianconsulateglasgow@gmail.com

Have not been able to find any other info on your gt,grandfather yet. Did your family consider that he may have tried to return to Italy? Were siblings interred alongside him?

[Keith at Tregenna]

Ali, do you know if he left family behind in Scotland, and if so what area.?

ESPLANADE CAFE, GREENOCK ... It's owned by the Medinelli family ?

K.