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    I find it hard to believe that a country has to go to Japan to build its submarines. Why bother just don't build. If they cant be built in the country whose navy they are going to be part of, after the raw materials for such are produced here and the steelworks and shipyards are here whats the point, by the governments prognosis in their estimation of the money involved, and somehow implying we don't have the brains to build, then we also don't have the intelligence and the manpower to man them. Would probably be sunk in any case in any hostilities. The whole and total ball game doesn't make sense, only to the politicians who don't mind giving billions in foreign aid, but when it comes to their own countries and safeguards seem to hit a stone wall. Money is only paper and some countries just print more as know someone will pay the bill, mugs like the poor taxpayer of other better off nations. What I would like to see for Britain ..Is to come out of the EU. For America...For Donald Trump to win the Presidency. And for Australia to have a Royal Commission into the workings of every politician in Parliament the same as the present labour leader recently. Then we might see some movement in the running of countries and not this lethargic she"ll be right mate. JS

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    John, here in Melbourne we have the Tenix ship building site. Doing nothing now as there are no orders in place. The company my brother works for does all the electrical work there in maintainance and tag testing. He was told by management there that the new subs will be built in Adelaide with many components made here at Tenix. Apparently no matter which country gets the contract to build it will be done here in Oz with local labor.
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    Food for Thought!
    Bit selective I know.Though the last were plagued by troubles.


    he 2007-08 performance outcome for the Collins fleet shows that it achieved only 64% of its mission capability and, according to opposition Defence spokesman David Johnston, the fleet rarely features more than two operational submarines at the same time.
    In June 2011, The Australian published a story claiming there was not a single Collins-class submarine that was seaworthy at the time while 40 serious defects were discovered on one of the submarines.
    Understanding the need for a new and more efficient fleet, the 2009 Defence White Papercalls for 12 large submarines which could cost up to $35 billion and could be built in South Australia, according to the Defence Industries Minister. At first, off-the-shelf submarines were considered. However, the French-Spanish Scorpene class boat and the Spanish S-80 submarine have been ruled out as Defence argued that they did not meet requirements Australia’s broad needs.
    Some defence experts do believe that the Collins-class submarines are a naval engineering triumph and a showcase of Australia’s expertise. According to Derek Woolner, an expert on defence procurement projects based at ANU, the Collins-class submarines represent one of the few military projects that was delivered close to budget and an average of 26 months behind schedule, one of the shortest delays with military purchases. It is also a unique concept with no other engineering design of its kind anywhere in the world.
    We may have the submarines, but do we have enough submariners? Defence
    But the technical issues surrounding the submarines are further strained by internal conflicts within Defence’s engineering workforce. In October 2011, the engineering union APESMA (Association of Professional Engineers, Scientists & Managers Australia) conducted a careers intentions survey at a key Defence workplace that underpins the maintenance of the current Collins class submarines and the expertise for the future submarine program.
    The survey found that 80% of engineering staff plan to leave within five years if engineering issues (related to work and pay conditions) are not addressed soon. There is already deep concern that Australia’s existing engineering defence workforce lacks the expert technicians to deliver the fleet of 12 new submarines, and may need to partner with another nation to fill the gaps.
    This view is shared by the review panel, as included

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    If I recall it was when Kim Beasley was minister for defence that they were purchased against advice he recieved. One of the major problems was that they were so noisy and as a result easy to detect by the enemy.
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    Hi John.
    It is interesting to see that our prime minister now wants to stop paying for hospitals and for kids going to public schools any more of tax payers money, but said he will continue to pay for private and catholic schools, so the money must be there somewhere.
    Cheers Des

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    No Des, but if we continue on the current path we will evetualy go broke. We are finding it hader to cope with oveseas markets and it will get worse.
    The big dairy farm in Tassie was sold for two reasons, younger generation no longer interested in farming, farm needed a great deal of money spent on it to bring it up to standard.
    Chinese money will do that, create more work for locals who in turn will pay income tax and GST which goes to assist the economy.

    We are the only nation in the western world that pays penalty rates and overtime at the rate we do. How much longer can we go on like this, something has to give.

    Example, medical practices are in dire need of more money. Nurses from agencies only want to work weekends to get the penalty rates. Cost for one nurse at weekend, the same as a normal five day week cost.
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    Some interesting statistics: (from various news sources).

    In 2013 the UK produced 11,9 million metric tons of crude steel. 2013 the latest year figures available.

    China, 720milion metric tons. With a downturn in their auto industry they are swamping the market with cheap steel.

    China ordered a number of new steel plant's about 7 years ago,some of these have yet to be fired up owing to internal overcapacity!

    Tata have put in excess of £5billion into UK operations ...these are now deemed 'worthless', if they and what was SSI UK can't turn a crust who could?

    There are now more ex Steel industry pensioners than there are employees....

    Boasteel..which is the biggest of the Chinese steelmakers will increase its capacity beyond 27 million tons this coming year,this represents a 20% increase! Uk make 12million all plants.

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