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    That is a Russian Medal And will come under the auspices of the Russian Government. It will go the same way as all medals to collectors and others. I doubt if there will be any records kept like the British mlitary ones . But who knows. Ask the MOD.all my memorabilia I have i have name and dis. number engraved on , so can trace its source for any collector and maybe or maybe not increase its value . The value of the Russian one should go up with its small numbers distributed. JS

    Being a member of a society who has secrets, maybe I don’t put too much stock in the wearing and embellishing of medals which we call jewels. Being the owner of 9 breast jewels and 2 neck decorations I may think they are going too flamboyant to wear at the same time which is decried , and a maximum of 3 is considered correct. Medals is not my thing I’m afraid , as. To the Ushinov Medal being acknowledged is the main thing, the Medal itself is refinery. A parchment of remembrance would be just as much in keeping . JS
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    Hello Michael. My Father, Lembit Mae, also took part in WW2 as a member of the allied Merchant Navy. I also will be seeking his medals for my family history. He was born in Estonia in 1920 and was being trained on the Vilk when the war started.Here is the list of Dads vessels on which he served as an engineer from 1939 until the end of the war.
    'Vilk' (Estonian) September 1939 - July 1940 during which time they were captured by the Germans and taken to Strettin in Poland.
    'Kyriaki (Greek) September 1940 - 5 December
    'Ima" (Norwegian) December 1940 - October 1941
    'OB Sorensen' (Norwegian) October 1941 - February 1942
    MV Robert Maersk (British flag, Red Ensign)) February 1942 - May 1943
    'Empire Pat' May 1943 - June 1943
    'Horace Mann' (American, US flag) August 1943 - November 1943
    Dad was paid off in port Said and secured a job at Wills and Co Ltd in the refrigerating rooms still involved with military supplies until October 1947. He was married to my Mother and left Egypt on the Stratheden and arrived in Australia in 1947.
    I hope there may be a link to your Dads history as my Father was mainly in the 'Battle of the Atlantic'. I have more information of events he was part of so discovery is very rewarding because he was very private and would not speak about the war.
    Regards
    Annette Mae

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    Thankyou very much for adding your dad's details.

    Very interesting.

    You must be proud.

    Regards,

    Keith.
    "Our veterans did not forget about us .... Let's not forget about them." From Michael Levesque

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    Hi everybody.
    I have been very busy with research in to my late father's service with the Russian convoys.
    He was based on the vessel Fort Kullyspell, which escorted convoys JW.55B JW58 RA56 & RA59.
    At least I have got further with it than I thought that I could!
    Cheers
    Mike

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    Michael, I am a little puzzled with you saying that Fort Kullyspell ' escorted convoys ' - she was not a warship, she was a normal Victory Type Cargo Ship and therefore just a member of the convoy. The Escorts were all RN Warships.

    FORT KULLYSPELL

    Type: Victory

    Tonnage: 7,190grt

    Dimensions: 441.5 x 57.2

    Builders: West Coast Shipbuilders Ltd., Vancouver

    Delivery Date: August, 1943

    Owners;Managers: D.O.C.; Hall Bros., Newcastle for M.O.W.T.

    Post war History:

    1947: Acadia Overseas Freighters Ltd., Halifax, renamed WESTMINSTER COUNTY;

    1949: Israeli owners, renamed YAFFO;

    Mar. 24, 1955: Stranded Baffu Bay, Liberia, refloated and sold March, 1957.
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    Some of the Victory ships were built for a service speed of near enough 20 knots and were built as so called armed merchant cruisers. I joined the Sunprincess in Halifax in 1966 as mate she had been bought by Alcoa and used as a cargo/passenger vessel on the North America / West Indies run. She was. What was called a C1-A. She was only capable of 15/16 knots by then. She went to the scrap yard in Taiwan late 67 early 68. So possibly the ship being referred to was similar. JS

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    The Fort Kullyspell was in the Convoy JW 55B which was used to lure the Scharnhorst into the guns of the Duke of York and her subsequent sinking. Fort Kullyspell was lead ship of Column 3 of the convoy but certainly was not an escort, purely a cargo ship carrying much needed supplies. I think perhaps Michael may have been misled at some stage. His father was certainly an R/O on ships in the Russian Convoys with all the horrors that they experienced but the Fort Kullyspell was not an escort.
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    I maybe wrong but believe the Geneva convention entitled a merchant ship to carry a large calibre gun for want of a better word on the poop or right aft ,the idea being that it couldn’t fire forward of the beam and not lose its title as a merchant vessel. Once you had a gun on the forecastle or elsewhere capable of firing forward you were classed as a warship and fair game , not that the rules were observed , in war there is no chivalry as some think. JS
    I served 4 years on a diving support ship on hire to the MOD. It was only when on a Russian ship I saw what I wasn’t supposed to see, and found the same ship was classed by the Russkis as a warship. She had no hardware on board as such. In theory I suppose every merchant ship carrying DEMS gunners who were members of HM armed forces could be considered a vessel of war.
    Maybe the originator of this post may be referring to the ship in question as the commodore ship. Cheers JS
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    I believe that the SS South Africa Star, Blue Star Line, was built like other vessels as an air escort carrier and cargo carrier. After the war her topside was rebuilt as a cargo/passenger ship. Every thing was built of metal including all furniture and she could roll on a damp sponge.
    Terry Sullivan R340406

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    Hello.
    I did inquire at the Ships Registry site and they went through their archives about my late father. They definitely stated that he was awarded the Arctic Star for his services on the vessel "Fort Kullyspell" between 22/11/1943 and 18/02/1944. If this was not an escort vessel then why did they mention it in their records?
    I then went on the site "Convoyweb" and it brought up a whole lot of details of convoy numbers and vessels associated with the name when I typed it in the site. Wonder why it is so difficult to access such information?
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