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    My Grandfather Thomas Pirrie was in RFA then Labour Corps in WW1 and luckily I have his Service records which show he was discharged to Ripon for coalmining in December 1918. Just lately however I have found CR10 Card for him suggesting he was an Assistant Baker in Merchant Navy 1918-1921. No ships or discharge is shown on the form but his identity certificate number is 881282. Just wondering if this was perhaps a scheme for ex soldiers to perhaps learn a trade at the end of their service. He was always a miner as far as we were aware although there was a story of him being a Baker which now fits with this latest piece of information. CR10 Card has his photograph but apart from Name and address, no other information.
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    #1... Not being derogatory or anything but is your Christian name really Brain, or is it a misprint and should read Brian. Will never find out if don’t ask. Cheers JWS.
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    A quick look shows the detail below, we would need some idea of his date of birth, place of birth etc to confirm this or more.

    Thomas Pirrie
    United Kingdom, Merchant Navy Seamen Records

    Name
    Thomas Pirrie
    Event Type
    Military Service
    Event Year Range
    1918-1921
    Event Place
    United Kingdom
    Birthplace
    Ayrshire
    Birth Year
    1893

    Citing this Record
    "United Kingdom, Merchant Navy Seamen Records, 1835-1941," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KCWM-NLD : 5 December 2014), Thomas Pirrie, ; From "Merchant Navy Seamen1835-1941," database and images, findmypast (Trace your Family Tree Online | Genealogy & Ancestry from Findmypast | findmypast.com : n.d.); citing BT 112-116, 119-120, series BT350, The National Archives of the UK, Kew, Surrey.

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    Name is Brian. Registration error but now corrected. It's a regular mistake !

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    Hi Keith. DOB was 14th February 1893 in Kilwinning in Ayrshire. CR10 form I have from Find My Past confirms DOB and has ID certificate number 881283. We thought when he was discharged from the Army in December 1918 he would have gone back down the mines, possibly in Yorkshire because he married in Cleckheaton during the war. We are intrigued about this possible Merchant Navy service particularly as it now appears to be confirming the story of him once being a baker. He did return to the mines by 1922 according to marriage certificate to his second wife after first sadly died just over 1 year earlier.

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    Thomas Pirrie
    United Kingdom, World War I Service Records


    Name
    Thomas Pirrie
    Event Type
    Military Service
    Event Year
    1914
    Residence Place
    , Yorkshire, England

    Age
    21
    Military Company/Regiment
    Royal Horse & Field Artillery
    Military Regiment
    33389
    Military Battalion
    1st Battalion
    Birth Year (Estimated)
    1893
    Birthplace
    Kilwinning, Ayrshire, Scotland

    Hope the above helps, will keep looking.

    K.

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    Thanks Keith. I did have detail about his RFA service thanks and indeed he was in the Labour Corps towards the end of his army career. What I had no idea about at all was the CR10 Card I found searching Find my Past and I know nothing more about this part of his life presumably after leaving Military Service and before he returned to Yorkshire then to North East England by 1922 so assuming he could only have been in Merchant Navy sometime between 1918 and 1922. All this is fascinating as it was something I had no idea at all about.

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    Marriage


    Appears to be:

    Thomas Pirrie
    mentioned in the record of Brooke and Thomas Pirrie

    Name
    Thomas Pirrie
    Event Type
    Marriage
    Registration Quarter
    Apr-May-Jun
    Registration Year
    1916
    Registration District
    North Bierley
    County
    Yorkshire

    Hannah Brooke


    What detail do you have on his RFA service ?


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    I don't think that you have the Discharge Number correct it looks like a 3 at the end and others are too feint to see correctly on his CRS10 ??Will see if I can make it out!
    Funny there are no Ships listed on the CRS10 ??? Strange one this is!


    That is if I have the same person (Anyone make out the correct Number???)

    Capture CRS10.JPG

    Oppps! sorry that is his ID Number I see not his Discharge Number

    th.jpg Looked like this may have been a different colour though in his Years >
    So now we have to see if we can get the Discharge Number correct (In Pic above) when he was in the MN
    This gets harder! LOL

    First name(s) Thomas
    Last name Pirrie
    Event year 1918
    Birth year 1893
    Birth place Kilwinning
    Birth county/country Ayrshire
    Birth date 14 Feb 1893
    Discharge number -
    Identity certificate number 881283
    Card type CR10
    Archive The National Archives
    Series BT350
    Date range 1918-1921
    Record set Britain, Merchant Seamen, 1918-1941
    Category Education & work
    Subcategory Merchant navy & maritime
    Collections from Great Britain, UK None


    Will have to search the following and see if any records exist,if we can make out that Number it would be easy

    Series IV/Central Index Register
    (1913-1941. Unfortunately entries between 1913 and 1918 were destroyed in 1969. The originals are held at Southampton Archives with copies available at
    TNA in series BT 364 as a combined index of the CR1, CR2 and CR10 cards
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    Thanks everyone for contributing. Number as I see it could be 881283 as above or possibly 887283 ? Regarding his RFA service I am fortunate enough to have his full "New Soldier" record from WO 363 giving details of his first signing up in September 1914 right through to his discharge in December 1918. It includes his leave to get married to Hannah, mentions his time in hospital after being wounded and his transfer to Labour Corps before he was discharged in December 1918 to coal mining duties. A fascinating document to have.

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