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Carol Dawson
2nd November 2016, 08:11 PM
SHIPS NAME AND SERVICE RECORD

Full Name
Horace Crossland Discharge Book Number
1088120 Department
Catering Your Rank/Rating
Chief Steward Which Ships were you on and When
Empire Monarch 1942
Imperial Monarch 1942 Notes:
These are the only details I have. I am keen to find out more about my grandfather who was awarded the BEM in 1942.i would like to know which convoys his ships were in and why he received the award (his medal and citation were lost in a house move).Any help would be wonderful as we have three grandsons who are keen to find his story

Captain Kong
2nd November 2016, 08:32 PM
Hi Carol welcome to the site, Keep looking in, some of our experts will eventually find the information you need,
Meanwhile I have a photo for you of the "IMPERIAL MONARCH." courtesy of Old Ship Photos site.
I could not find one of Empire Monarch. Click on thumbnail and then right click save picture and then print it.
Cheers
Brian

Carol Dawson
2nd November 2016, 10:28 PM
Fabulous. Thank you ��

Doc Vernon
3rd November 2016, 03:27 AM
Hello Carol
Welcome to the site and thank you for the details on your Grandad
His Medal listing can be downloaded for a small fee.
Worth it I am sure as it will give you the info you may want!
Cheers

Medal listing of Crossland BEM, Horace Discharge number: 1088120 Date of... | The National Archives (http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D4288456)

Medal listing of Crossland BEM, Horace Discharge number: 1088120 Date of...



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Also Link for his Seamans Pouch which may also help although these records don't hold too much info but also worth getting them I feel,

Name: Crossland, Horace. Service number: 1088120. Date of birth: 1903. | The National Archives (http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C9668361)

His CRS 10 Records if still surviving will have a lot more info such as Ships (why he received the award )etc,also should have a Photo of when he joined Good Luck

Coppin G to Cutts S J | The National Archives (http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C11001350)

Doc Vernon
3rd November 2016, 03:48 AM
Same Pic as Capt but with info on her as well
Cheers

Google (http://www.clydeships.co.uk/view.php?ref=17064)

Doc Vernon
3rd November 2016, 04:00 AM
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IMPERIAL MONARCH (Br) 5,831 tons, built 1926

Departure



Convoy



Arrival

New Orleans, Jan 24, 1942 Independent Mobile, Jan 25, 1942

Mobile, Jan 25, 1942 Independent Halifax, Feb 9, 1942

Halifax, Feb 10, 1942 SC.69 (Halifax - Liverpool) Liverpool, Feb 27, 1942

Liverpool, Mar 15, 1942 ON.76 (Liverpool - Halifax)

Independent New York, Apr 2, 1942

New York, Apr 25, 1942 Independent New York, Apr 27, 1942

New York, Apr 30, 1942 Independent Capetown, Jun 5, 1942

Capetown, Jun 15, 1942 Independent Durban, Jun 19, 1942

Durban, Jun 30, 1942 Independent Bombay, Jul 21, 1942

Bombay, Sep 2, 1942 Independent Colombo, Sep 7, 1942

Colombo, Sep 22, 1942 Independent Durban, Oct 14, 1942

Durban, Oct 20, 1942 Independent Capetown, Oct 25, 1942

Capetown, Oct 27, 1942 Independent Trinidad, Nov 27, 1942

Trinidad, Dec 19, 1942 TAG.30 (Trinidad - Guantanamo) Guantanamo, Dec 24, 1942

Guantanamo, Dec 24, 1942 GN.30 (Guantanamo - NYC) New York, Jan 1, 1943

New York, Jan 12, 1943 SC.117 (NYC - Liverpool) St Johns NF, Jan 25, 1943


Empire Monarch cannot be found,are you sure that is the correct name you have?????

Could it possibly be the Highland Monarch ???

Des Taff Jenkins
3rd November 2016, 04:13 AM
Hi Carol.
On January the 9th 1940 the ship Imperial Monarch of 5,831 tons was hit by bombs and gunfire from aircraft 10 miles from Scurdyness,it does not indicate in my book whether she sunk or not, I'm assuming that she did.
Supplement to the London Gazette 11 June 1942.
On the 11 of June 1942 the King on his birthday has been graciously pleased to present to Horace Crossland Chief Steward in the Merchant navy the British Empire Medal Civil Division.
I can only conclude that it was for bravery when the ship was hit.
Cheers Des

Doc Vernon
3rd November 2016, 04:18 AM
Hi Des
Not sure here but as you say (does not indicate in my book whether she sunk or not)
but possibly not as in She left [Immingham, Jan 5, 1940 not reported Methil, Jan 11, 1940

Methil, Jan 11, 1940 Independent Narvik, Jan 17, 1940

Narvik, Jan 23, 1940 Independent Methil, Jan 30, 1940

Methil, Mar 1, 1940 MT.21 (Methil - Tyne) Tyne, Mar 2, 1940
?? This is from the Convoy Web
Cheers

Des Taff Jenkins
3rd November 2016, 04:36 AM
Hi Vernon.
I looked at the index in the back of the book but didn't realize that I was looking in "Damaged but not lost," you are right she was damaged but not lost. Horace Crossland would have received the medal for some action he took at the time.
Will have to be more careful in future, Thanks.
Cheers Des

Doc Vernon
3rd November 2016, 04:48 AM
National Archive Crew Listing for the Imperial Monarch is here too

Official Nos: 148892 Imperial Monarch, 149873 Patella, 149879 Teakwood, 149879... | The National Archives (http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C2481275)

Carol Dawson
3rd November 2016, 09:58 PM
Thank you so much for this information. I have downloaded Horace's record from the National archive for 3.45 but there is no key so I can't interpret the data. The Monarch company seems to have managed 4 Empire ships but I can't find the names. The records say that Horace signed on to Empire Monarch ( I can't find this ship listed anywhere) and Imperial Monarch both in 1942. I understand from family that the same captain was on both ships. I can't find a record of any incident involving the Imperial save that in 1940. Is it likely that he would be awarded a medal in 1942 for an action in 1940? Do you know the route of the Imperial in 1940? Thanks again

Hugh
3rd November 2016, 10:25 PM
Hi Carol,
Horace Crossland was awarded the BEM(Civ) in the 1942 Birthday Honours List gazetted 11 June 1942. The award is associated with IMPERIAL MONARCH, bombed and straffed by enemy aircraft and damaged off the east coast of Scotland on 29th January 1940. Survived the war.

It it is likely that his bravery may have come to light after the event hence the award in 1942.

The medal file you have downloaded is his campaign medals. If you wish to post the attachment I will decipher it for you.

Regards
Hugh

Des Taff Jenkins
4th November 2016, 03:18 AM
Hi Hugh.
I have read in a few web sites about Horace Crossland receiving his medal, but nowhere does it say when and how he earned it, I think like you it was for action during the attack on the Imperial Monarch. I was wondering at the similarity of the name of his ships the Imperial Monarch and the Empire Monarch I think there was the possibility that she was renamed the Empire Monarch at some later date maybe .
Cheers Des

Doc Vernon
4th November 2016, 03:38 AM
The Monarch Steamship Company had the following Ships but there is no Empire Monarch I feel there amy just be an Error in the Entry???

Monarch Steamship Company, Raeburn & Verel, Glasgow (http://www.mariners-list.com/site_pages.php?section=Shipping+Companies&category=Scottish&page_name=Monarch+Steamship+Company)

Carol Dawson
4th November 2016, 07:50 AM
Dear All
Thank you so much for your help to date. This is my first time ever using an on line forum so please forgive me if I'm not following the usual etiquette. I've tried to attach the record from the National Archives butit won't upload and I don't have access to my main computer at the moment. Is there an email address I can send the PDF to?

Was the Imperial Monarch part of the East Coast Convoys in 1940? What was the main function of these?

Thanks once again to you all
Regards
Carol

Ivan Cloherty
4th November 2016, 08:13 AM
Was the Imperial Monarch part of the East Coast Convoys in 1940? What was the main function of these?

Thanks once again to you all
Regards
Carol

East Coast convoys were essential for the movement of coal and other goods to the various power stations dotted around the UK coast and in estuaries, a total of 575 coastal size vessels (200 -1800 tons deadweight)* traded up and down and around the coasts of the UK from 1939 to 1945 and were constantly under threat from, e-boats, mines, and bombing aircraft taking off from axis airfields in Germany, Norway, Holland, Belgium and France. The men on them are largely forgotten and airbrushed out of history, but they suffered as much as their colleagues on the Atlantic theatre. 374 of these coasting vessels were involved in the D-Day Landings, making not only one trip but numerous trips backwards and forwards with cased petrol and ammunition to keep the Armed Forces enabled

* deadweight = carrying capacity

Hugh
4th November 2016, 09:40 AM
Carol, I have sent you a private message.

Here is another view of IMPERIAL MONARCH http://searcharchives.vancouver.ca/uploads/r/null/9/3/935832/b23a7cf8-ff29-4045-a69e-66a9d057682f-A29589.jpg

Des, IMPERIAL MONARCH was certainly renamed later but not an EMPIRE as far as I am aware.

Regards
Hugh

Doc Vernon
4th November 2016, 08:35 PM
21600 H Crossland Medals

1939 (1939-1945 Star)
AT (Atlantic Star)
IT (Italy Star)
CL (Clasp)

Markings found on the record may include:


a cross through a code, indicating that the medal was issued
a circle over a code, indicating that only the ribbon for that medal has been issued
a cross and a circle, indicating that both a medal and a ribbon have been issued

The letter ‘R’ over a code can signify that an application for that medal was reviewed and refused.

Hugh
4th November 2016, 10:35 PM
He was awarded the BEM(Civ), 1939-1945 Star, Atlantic Star with France & Germany Clasp, Italy Star and The War Medal. Information already passed to Carol.

Regards
Hugh