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Red Lead Ted
8th May 2016, 08:01 PM
Worth a watch lads Terry. :confused:

Doc Vernon
8th May 2016, 08:13 PM
Had it on here on our BBC Terry
Was really a good Doco on that!
Cheers

Louis the fly
9th May 2016, 08:12 AM
Watched this last night, the courage and dignity of the families was unbelievable with all the lies and accusations thrown against them. History was made.

Red Lead Ted
9th May 2016, 02:30 PM
Lou, Its hard to imagine what hell those family's went through for 27 years, Its a life time for some. You have to admire the tenacity and determination shown by the family's justice campaign, It was one of those occasions on Merseyside where everyone can remember where they were on the day, At 6 minutes past 3pm i was wallpapering my way out of a tight corner in my sitting room, But with my younger brother being in the leppings lane my old man came over to my place he was absolutely shaking and i was phoning the emergency number for hours no chance of getting threw my brother eventually rang home about 6.30 pm that night as we where getting ready to drive to Yorkshire, He was kept in hospital overnight when we picked him up on the Sunday, We told him the news about his good friend Gary Church, The lad cried with his head in his hands all the way home. All we got out of him was the police messed up dad it wasn't or fault. The rest is history. Many people have to explain there actions now. I just hope a few press members get a mention in dispatches. Regards Terry.

Jim Brady
9th May 2016, 02:39 PM
Hi Terry I was in the Doric playing pool when Gary Churchs' sister came in asking if Gary had been in as they were worried as he had gone to the Liverpool game,and as you say the rest is history.Did you read this article in the Echo.
Regards.
Jim.B.
Hillsborough: How the world reacted to powerful documentary shown in UK for first time - Liverpool Echo (http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/hillsborough-how-world-reacted-powerful-11303873)

Louis the fly
9th May 2016, 02:42 PM
Could not agree more with you Terry. I just hope now the cover up has been exposed and the liars named and shamed that we will also see justice for the miners. The were also victims of the South Yorkshire police, the press, the courts, and the Tory government.

Chris Allman
9th May 2016, 02:55 PM
Watched it. The surviving South Yorkshire Police hierarchy should be charged and prosecuted for their diabolical and criminal behavior in both their neglect of duty and the cover up. I hope also that Orgreave gets investigated properly. Those kind of people just destroy your faith in justice.

cappy
9th May 2016, 04:40 PM
Could not agree more with you Terry. I just hope now the cover up has been exposed and the liars named and shamed that we will also see justice for the miners. The were also victims of the South Yorkshire police, the press, the courts, and the Tory government.hello louis and of course the master of chicanery who took the miners to the wall and who still milks all he can mr scargill......coal is as out of fashion as bows and arrows in drone warfare ......sadly like your generation and my generation services not required...dont forget the tolpuddle martyrs......and the gas mantle manufacturers......the 5 hatch cargo boats .....and the labour party plus the unions ......all blown away .....ostriches comes to mind......lol cappy

Red Lead Ted
9th May 2016, 04:49 PM
Hi Terry I was in the Doric playing pool when Gary Churchs' sister came in asking if Gary had been in as they were worried as he had gone to the Liverpool game,and as you say the rest is history.Did you read this article in the Echo.
Regards.
Jim.B.
[url=http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/hillsborough-how-world-reacted-powerful-11303873]Hillsborough: How the world reacted to powerful documentary shown in UK for first time - Liverpool

Yes Jim Phil Scraton, Was a real gem along with a lot more unsung heroes, You must remember all the same people as i do from that era, Harold Kinsella, His son Terry, Steve Milburn, My sister Maureen had the Doric i think it was that year, I am sure you can also remember how somber it was that night all over Merseyside, I met a few lads i drank with in the old Seaforth Social club i had to get my old man out the house, But what i remember most that night was the steward of the time who i think was Joe Jones, And Brenda Everet who was of course mother of the first big brother series Craig Phillips, Paid the artist before he went on stage and sent him home. The quietest Saturday night i can remember in Livepool Terry.

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[QUOTE=cappy;229557]hello louis and of course the master of chicanery who took the miners to the wall and who still milks all he can mr scargill......coal is as out of fashion as bows and arrows in drone warfare ......sadly like your generation and my generation services not required...dont forget the tolpuddle martyrs......and the gas mantle manufacturers......the 5 hatch cargo boats .....and the labour party plus the unions ......all blown away .....ostriches comes to mind......lol cappy

Cappy, I also remember the once great armed forces and Royal Navy and Airforce Fleet we had, Also dismantled by a Tory government. :mad:

cappy
9th May 2016, 05:34 PM
yes terry and do you remember the miners on strike on D DAY..........while our fathers fell in droves on the beaches of normandy.......but then i suppose that was not the unions....that called it ...or the miners who went on strike ......they should have sent them to the beaches ...with there shovels.....no sympathy from cappy

Red Lead Ted
9th May 2016, 05:50 PM
yes terry and do you remember the miners on strike on D DAY..........while our fathers fell in droves on the beaches of normandy.......but then i suppose that was not the unions....that called it ...or the miners who went on strike ......they should have sent them to the beaches ...with there shovels.....no sympathy from cappy

And not to forget the Tory parties latest attack amongst the less well off in our society's heroes, N.H.S.Junior Doctors, This is G.B.Today not yesteryear. Terry.

cappy
9th May 2016, 06:02 PM
terry two junior doctors just spent over half a million next door to me on there house ...late 20s each works 3 days a week and has 4 days off... poor junior doctors i think not......best of luck to them..... but poor junior doctors .......ok if thats your view......i suppose the NHS is getting value for the best training in the world ......but sadly its not my view.....regards cappy

Red Lead Ted
9th May 2016, 06:08 PM
Cappy, Then we beg to differ lets leave it at that start a thread of its own if you want to debate it, This thread is regarding a cover up by the Establishment, Regards Terry.

cappy
9th May 2016, 06:20 PM
Cappy, Then we beg to differ lets leave it at that start a thread of its own if you want to debate it, This thread is regarding a cover up by the Establishment, Regards Terry.said me piece terry but we look at the miners and there union leadersfrom different views mine wont change yours wont change .....deadlock .......regards cappy

Jim Brady
9th May 2016, 06:59 PM
I heard it said that Maggie was part of the Hillsborough cover up,she didn't want to see her South Yorkshire Militia get the blame as they had done such a good job for her during the miners strike.
Regards.
Jim.B.

Captain Kong
9th May 2016, 09:02 PM
Cappy, the starting salary for a Junior Doctor is £23,000 a year Not a lot, but with weekend overtime it can get up to near £30,000

The Miners Strike was orchestrated. by Scargill and rentamob. My brother was a Miner, No Miner wanted to go on strike, they had the very best wages and working conditions of any industry in the country. They were forced out by Scarhills gangsters. Threats of Violence against Miners Children and wives My brothes car was smashed and his windows of his house smashed until he came out. All those idiots seen charging the Polices horses were Students and rentamob.
Brian

cappy
9th May 2016, 09:34 PM
I heard it said that Maggie was part of the Hillsborough cover up,she didn't want to see her South Yorkshire Militia get the blame as they had done such a good job for her during the miners strike.
Regards.
Jim.B.a member of my family stood for four hours and was spit in the face by a spotty faced youth he was a policeman of 5 or six years in the job.......when he was told to stop them he didthe spotty faced youth messed himself when collared .......i recall scargill whinging as they took him away......the government won.......funny how the country has kept warm without the overpriced coal ...but scargill still lives of the union dues paid by his members ......ps the spottty faced youth was let out the hurry up wagon ....no one could stand the smell......regards cappy

Jim Brady
9th May 2016, 09:41 PM
Brian its common knowledge that Maggie wanted to brake the miners at any price,she wanted to close the mines anyway.I hope that they have the enquiry just like the Hillsborough enquiry.I've got no connection to it but as I seen it it was more than taking a sledge hammer to crack a nut.A mate of mine who had a mate in the police said his policeman mate earned enough overtime during the miners strike to pay off his mortgage.Your talking of students and rent a mob,what did Maggie bring in,I'm convinced that the army were there masquerading as police men.I was listening to a seaman who I suppose you could say was a flying picket,no harm in that if you want to give your fellow workers some support.This is what he said,he was thrown into the back of a transit police van,inside the van he said signs saying property of the MOD with the arrows.Was this an army van resprayed in police livery,if there is an enquiry all this will come out,maybe some soldiers may come forward and say that they were there.
Regards.
Jim.B.

cappy
9th May 2016, 09:49 PM
Brian its common knowledge that Maggie wanted to brake the miners at any price,she wanted to close the mines anyway.I hope that they have the enquiry just like the Hillsborough enquiry.I've got no connection to it but as I seen it it was more than taking a sledge hammer to crack a nut.A mate of mine who had a mate in the police said his policeman mate earned enough overtime during the miners strike to pay off his mortgage.Your talking of students and rent a mob,what did Maggie bring in,I'm convinced that the army were there masquerading as police men.I was listening to a seaman who I suppose you could say was a flying picket,no harm in that if you want to give your fellow workers some support.This is what he said,he was thrown into the back of a transit police van,inside the van he said signs saying property of the MOD with the arrows.Was this an army van resprayed in police livery,if there is an enquiry all this will come out,maybe some soldiers may come forward and say that they were there.
Regards.
Jim.B.the government won jim ...if scargill was in russia where he sent millions of union money to and fought the state they would have shot him and the miners as well...democracy won .......maggie stuffed him.......and we are still with light and heat and not subsidising a dead horse........regards cappy.....maggie maggie maggie in in in.... lol cappy

Jim Brady
9th May 2016, 09:54 PM
Bloody right she won not half at any price.
Regards.
Jim.B.

Captain Kong
9th May 2016, 10:06 PM
If you google the closures of the mines by your very good Socialist, Harold Wilson a Labour MP for Huyton, , you will find that he closed more mines than anyone in history around 150 mines so he could buy cheap coal from Poland. Thousands of miners were thrown out of work, This was because he signed the Lima Agreement to transfer our Industries to the Third world countries at our expense.
The Lancashire and Yorkshire Textile Cotton and wool Industries were shut down and all the machinery shipped out to India, Wilson devastated British Industry. hundreds of thousands of workers lost their jobs,
BUT That was OK because Wilson was a `Good Socialist.` and a Labour man.
Cheers
Brian

Jim Brady
9th May 2016, 10:18 PM
Mr Wilson and the Lima Agreement always a good standby for you Brian.LOL
Regards.
Jim.B.

gray_marian
10th May 2016, 06:13 AM
Hope those in denial don't choke on their breakfast! Excerpt below by Harry Phibbs of the Telegraph. Published: April 10, 2013 Below THAT is his source. Feel free to check for yourselves!:rolleyes:

"There is the charge that it was Margaret Thatcher who "destroyed" the coal mines and the mining communities. How many times have the BBC broadcast that claim without refutation? Yet the facts show that far more coal mines closed under the Labour Prime Ministers Harold Wilson and James Callaghan."
These are the figures for the sharply declining number of coal mines open each year under those Labour Governments"



"Historical coal data: coal production, availability and consumption 1853 to 2014:
Department of Energy & Climate Change
Part of: Coal statistics"

1964 .. 545

1965 .. 504

1966 .. 442

1967 .. 406

1968 .. 330

1969 .. 304



1974 .. 250

1975 .. 241

1976 .. 239

1977 .. 231

1978 .. 223

1979 .. 219

These are the figures for the Thatcher years:

1979 .. 219

1980 .. 213

1981 .. 200

1982 .. 191

1983 .. 170

1984 .. 169

1985 .. 133

1986 .. 110

1987 .. 94

1988 .. 86

1989 .. 73

1990 .. 65

happy daze john in oz
10th May 2016, 06:46 AM
It is quite amazing how Liberal or conservative govs get the blame for nothing of their doing?
Union power here in Oz is one of the reasons we are on an 8 week feral erection campaign, one of the longest ever.
Last week a young painter was pulled up by the union as he is not a memebr and has been on the site for over six months. Told in no certain terms that eh either paid up his dues for the last 12 months or he would be out of a job. Closed shops are illegal here so the employer went to the fair work tribunal who ruled, quite rightly, that the union was out of order and the young man does not have to join if he does not wish to. He is still painting on the same job.

Jim Brady
10th May 2016, 06:46 AM
Simple arithmatic Marian there were less pits to close when the Tories came to power Harold Wilson had already closed them all down,nothing much left to close.
Regards.
Jim.B.

gray_marian
10th May 2016, 07:18 AM
Ahh you deleted your original post Jim!

Humble pie for breakfast then......

Jim Brady
10th May 2016, 07:23 AM
It was deleted Marian because it was on the Boris thread,nothing sinister I can assure you.On this thread word for word.
Regards.
Jim.B.

gray_marian
10th May 2016, 07:33 AM
I READ it Jim, and it's not the same, shorter and without the implications on the figures provided!

Jim Brady
10th May 2016, 07:40 AM
Give way to age Marian,apart for something added on the end which I cant quite remember it was word for word,maybe you can tell me what I am hiding.
Regards.
Jim.B.

Captain Kong
10th May 2016, 08:18 AM
If any one knows anything about the "MINERS" strike, Scargill closed the Pits not Thatcher,
My family was involved, with threats of Violence to him, his children , his wife , his car was smashed up, his windows of his home smashed. not by other Miners but by hired thugs of Scargill s Communist masters.
The Strike was an Illegal one. There was no ballot. The Miners didn't want a strike, they had the best wages, conditions , benefits Pensions, of any occupation in the country.
It was a political plot against the Government.
When the "Strike" was on, Scargill refused to allow the Maintenance men to go down to keep the mines open. Scargill knew what the result would be, and that would be his political aim against the government.
The Roofs in the pits Collapsed, the mines became Flooded, destroying Millions and millions of pounds of equipment that had been paid for by the Tax Payers. the mines were then totally destroyed and impossible to open again, Scargill was jubilant.
several mines were still working during the "Strike" and the men were terrorised, some Miners were killed by the Thugs.
Bolton was a mining town, I worked in the mines for a year while waiting to go to the Vindi when I left school, at Brackley Colliery, one of the mines later shut by Wilson.
All the Miners I knew all said We Do Not Want A Strike, WHY?? Does anyone know what the "Strike" was about?? Why was Scargill creating a "Strike" for nothing??
It was a Left Wing Commie Pinko plot to bring down the democratically elected government,
and the gullible all fell for it and believed the Lies.
I was there and I saw what was happening to mates and my family.
It had Nothing to do with Thatcher, just a Communist Plot is all.
But Left wingers would never admit to the Truth, All those Union "Leaders" were Communists, and the gullible followed them like a bunch of Sheep.[ sorry sheep]

Brian.

Louis the fly
10th May 2016, 08:19 AM
Trying to change people's mind on the miners is a waste of time so will not try only to say this. Thatcher came into power with a mandate to destroy the power of the union movement.
To do so the foundation stone N.U.M. had to fall first then all unions would topple. She was right and she succeeded.
The power during the strike was not the union but the mothers, wives and girlfriends who stood by their men step by step and refused to let them surrender even when destitute and the cops waving wads of money under their noses on the picket line.


Remember these headlines PITY CITY......WHINGING SCOUSERS.......DRUNKEN YOBS STEALING FROM THE DEAD.
This was believed all over the world for 27 years before the truth finally emerged. Your condemnation of the miners may change when they too have their inquiry which has been denied to them for over 30 years

John Pruden
10th May 2016, 08:25 AM
many that put these headlines on the news rags have never stepped foot in our city? jp

Captain Kong
10th May 2016, 08:27 AM
Sorry Louis ,
read the previous post. you only believe what the left wing commie pinkos told you, Nothing to do with the Miners, they were terrorised by the hired Thugs, My brother, a Miner , and I with some of his mates would watch the TV NEWS, and they all agreed they were not Miners, Scargill had Rentamobs, and Students , were paid to do all the dirty work.
Some people believe anything if they were not there.
I saw it all and it affected my family.
The `strike was illegal and there had never been a ballot, no one knew what the strike was about, So why should a Miner who had the best wages of any Industry give up his wages and lose his job?? because of Scargill? Does anyone think of that?? or are you one of the Gullible who believes any left wing propagander instead of thinking for yourself.

Brian.

Jim Brady
10th May 2016, 09:07 AM
Brian you are slagging people off for being led like sheep and for taking part in an unofficial strike.I think you must have a short memory,if ever a gang of men were led by a bunch of commos (as you call them) who lined their own pockets with the money that we collected at the dock gates it was by the National Seamens Reform Movement,NSRM,and you were glad to be part of that and even have the NSRM stamped in your discharge book,I didn't.Funny isn't it when people find themselves a bit better off how they can turn on the working man which they themselves were at one time.Talk about pull the ladder up Jack.Yes every morning on the bombed out site by the Sailors Home a load of guff given out and "another meeting in the morning boys",.Paddy Neary,Vic Lilly and all their hangers on drinking in town whilst we collected the money at the Alex gate in a biscuit tin a car would come along and collect the money,right back to the committee for the ale.Where did all that money go.Yes Brian I know you slept in a church doorway,why did you do that if you don't believe in unions,ships were still sailing you could've scabbed it.
Regards.
Jim.B.

Louis the fly
10th May 2016, 09:19 AM
I was at Bentley near Doncaster, my knowledge is not from the Daily Mail or Sun. When I wanted to return I was prevented from doing so by South Yorkshire Police, I was stopped from driving on a motorway although I had not broken any law I could not travel freely in my own country. Such was the power of the police.
Wait for the inquiry and ask yourself why so many in authority do not want an inquiry to take place. What have they got to hide ?

cappy
10th May 2016, 09:32 AM
waiting for tony bliars reaction to the report on the chilcott inquiry..........supose the truth will come out there..... as for the miners union and what they did for the miners they could start by calling scargill and his russian paymasters and the millions of missing union funds ....as the NUS funds which all vanished.....cappy

Louis the fly
10th May 2016, 09:58 AM
We started this debate on Hillsborough and the courage of the families not to stop until the truth was known, the only people who have emerged with their honesty and dignity intact are the families and the thousands of Liverpool men, women and children who stood by them from beginning to end.
Once again you have managed to hijack the subject to get back on your soapbox and rant about unions.

cappy
10th May 2016, 11:22 AM
We started this debate on Hillsborough and the courage of the families not to stop until the truth was known, the only people who have emerged with their honesty and dignity intact are the families and the thousands of Liverpool men, women and children who stood by them from beginning to end.
Once again you have managed to hijack the subject to get back on your soapbox and rant about unions.your twisting the story louis i hijack nothing ........you started the miners and unions ....common sense finished it ....cappy

cappy
10th May 2016, 11:39 AM
I was at Bentley near Doncaster, my knowledge is not from the Daily Mail or Sun. When I wanted to return I was prevented from doing so by South Yorkshire Police, I was stopped from driving on a motorway although I had not broken any law I could not travel freely in my own country. Such was the power of the police.
Wait for the inquiry and ask yourself why so many in authority do not want an inquiry to take place. What have they got to hide ?i think they hide the fact that the communist regime was very near to taking over this country...supported by the left unions ....sorry but i think this was open only to hillsborough comments louis as you righteslously tell me in a later comment ...perhaps your working on union dogma rules ....cappy

Red Lead Ted
10th May 2016, 01:33 PM
i think they hide the fact that the communist regime was very near to taking over this country...supported by the left unions ....sorry but i think this was open only to hillsborough comments louis as you righteslously tell me in a later comment ...perhaps your working on union dogma rules ....cappy

I take that means righteously, Cappy, Don,t get mad get even. :LolLolLolLol:

Louis the fly
10th May 2016, 01:54 PM
Cappy, old age is catching up with you, go back to page 1 and reread the posts. Your recent comments are not worthy of a reply.

Captain Kong
10th May 2016, 02:30 PM
how they can turn on the working man which they themselves were at one time from Jim`s post.

Hi Jim I have never ever turned on a working man, I have always supported the Miners, I was one once and my brother was a Miner for 40 years. but they were bullied out by threats of Violence against them and their families. by Scargill`s paid Thugs.

Re: the NSRM I knew what was going on, we all did, in their room upstairs in the Black Cat Café in Canning Place. Everyone did after a while. They had a lot of money off us strikers but it was never accounted for and soon disappeared.
Barney Flynn was a Communist, he started a Communist training school in Liverpool in one of the pubs on the Dock Road and some of their "Graduates" even went to Moscow for further training in Industrial sabotage.
Paddy Neary was also a Communist, I was there the day he was arrested for making a speech by the side of the Sailors Home after Cunard put a High Court Injunction on him if he made a speech., He was married with four children, No Benefits for that, so the Communist Party kept his wife and kids supplied with food and money for the rent.
Afterwards he back to Northern Ireland and then died there.
.
Hi Louis,
re; being stopped from going onto the motorway by the Police. Scargill`s Thugs were on motorway bridges dropping lumps of Concrete onto miners cars who were still going to work, They killed some miners that way as the concrete went through the windscreens..
So you were stopped for your own safety until the problem was sorted.

Hope that answers some of the questions.
Cheers
Brian.

cappy
10th May 2016, 02:36 PM
I take that means righteously, Cappy, Don,t get mad get even. :LolLolLolLol:###well ted i can only apologise ..but think the mashins have got into my computer .....lol cappy

cappy
10th May 2016, 02:41 PM
[QUOTE=Louis the fly;229662]Cappy, old age is catching up with you, go back to page 1 and reread the posts. Your recent comments are not worthy of a reply.[ ####yes louis not worthy of reply ....cant say i was waiting with baited breath for your oracle of knowledge reply .....thats me finished onthis ...be lucky louis cappy