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Christopher Torr
19th December 2015, 10:01 AM
I would love to know any details of my great grandfather, Edwin Torr, DOB 8 April 1872. This is what I have found out so far:

1898. Address; 11 Peel St London. Steward on the Cymric. Was he on the maiden voyage in 1898?
When was his first voyage as a mariner?
1901 Steward on SS Canada.
Voyages 1901 to 1911?
1904. Address; 27 Cedardale Rd, Fazakerley, West Derby, Lancs.
1911-1912 Chief Steward SS Ionic.
Voyages to New Zealand?
1914-15 Ran a food program in Liverpool. Is there any record of this?
1916-17 Was there a vessel "Kursk or Kirsk" (perhaps a tug) in the convoys to Russia? Any record of a Captain Kirschfelt, a Russian? Voyages?
1914-18 War service. Merchant Marine Medal, WW1 War Service Medal. Were there any other medals awarded?
1920 Victualing Superintendent, Elders and Fyffes, Clifton Bristol.
1920 Sailed as a passenger on the E&F SS Bayano, Avonmouth to Jamaica.
1921 Returned Jamaica to Avonmouth on the E&F SS Coronado.
1921. Address; 24 Cotham Park Rd, Bristol.
1941 Died in Bristol following surgery.

Any information would be greatly appreciated.

Keith at Tregenna
19th December 2015, 02:30 PM
Probably your relative, if so you could update his details ? K

LINK: https://livesofthefirstworldwar.org/lifestory/6977339

John Albert Evans
19th December 2015, 02:47 PM

White Star Line SS Cymric.......19370

White Star Line SS Canada......19371

Hope these help, for your information if Google the ships name and you will find a host of information regardng these ships. I haven't looked for the others, apologies if you have already done that.

Also Google Captain A Kirschfeld, you will find a mention of him and Russia.

Good Luck

John Albert Evans

Frederick Lacey
19th December 2015, 05:33 PM
Hi Chris, I presume you have got these. ?

Edwin Elijah Torr.......Emma Matthews. Qrt. Jul-Aug-Sep. 1863. District Chelsea. Vol.1a. Page.370.

Edwin Torr. Born. Qrt. Apr-May-Jun. 1872. District. St Pancras. Vol.1b. Page.180.

Edwin Torr. Born 8th April. 1872. Died Dec. 1941. age at death. 69 years. District. Bristol. Vol.6a. Page.18.


Keith at Tregenna
19th December 2015, 06:21 PM
KURSK 1881

The KURSK was a cargo steamer, 1,131 gross tons, length 246ft x beam 30.2ft, one funnel, two masts, single screw, speed 8.5 knots, accommodation for 16-1st and 4-2nd class passengers. Built 1881 by A/S Burmeister & Wains Maskin-og Skibsbyggeri, Copenhagen (yard No.116) for DFDS Line, she was used on the Copenhagen - Frederikshavn - Newcastle service until 1899 and was then used on services mainly Baltic - Copnhagen - UK / Antwerp / France / Spain / Italy. 1899 - 1907 London / Hull - Copenhagen - Libau route. 1907-1912 Baltic - Copenhagen - France service. (1908 one voyage Stettin - Copenhagen - west coast of Norway). On 26th Aug.1912 she left Antwerp for St. Petersburg with general cargo. Later the same day, she passed Vlissingen and was presumably lost in a gale the same, or the following day. Later, three bodies and some of her cargo were found at Brouwershaven. Seven passengers and twenty crew members were lost. [DFDS by S. Thorsoe, ISBN 87-9800-300-3 contains excellent photo of the ship]


The KURSK was built by Barclay, Curle & Co. Glasgow in 1910 for the Russian American Line. She was a 7,858 gross ton vessel, length 450ft x beam 56.2ft, two funnels, two masts, twin screw and a speed of 15 knots. Accommodation for 120-1st, 178-2nd and 1,288-3rd and 4th class passengers. Launched on 7th July 1910, she sailed from Libau on her maiden voyage to New York on 2nd Nov. 1910. She commenced her last voyage from Libau to Copenhagen, Halifax and New York on 7th July 1914 and was transferred to the Glasgow - New York service on 5th Nov. 1914. On 20th Nov. 1914 she sailed on her first voyage from New York for Archangel and in 1917 came under Cunard management under the British flag. In 1921 she went to the Baltic American Line and was renamed POLONIA and on 23rd Jan. 1921 sailed on her first voyage between Glasgow, New York, Danzig and Libau. On 8th March 1921 she started her first voyage from Libau to Danzig, Boston and New York and in September of that year was refitted to carry 300-cabin and 500-3rd class passengers. In Oct.1927 she was further altered to carry 120-cabin, 180-tourist and 500-3rd class passengers. On 31st Oct. 1929 she commenced her last voyage from Danzig to Copenhagen, Halifax and New York and in 1930 went to the Polish Gdynia America Line. They used her from 11th April 1930 on their Danzig - Copenhagen - Halifax - New York service and from 28th May 1930 on the Gdynia - Copenhagen - Halifax - New York run

Keith at Tregenna
19th December 2015, 06:27 PM
Russian-American Line ship. RUSSIA, Captain A. Kirschfeld, from Libau,
Russia 1909-10-20 arrived at New York, NY 1909-11-02

RootsWeb: TheShipsList-L Re: [TSL] "The Russia" - Libau > New York - Nov 1906 - asking forhelp finding ship manifest (http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/TheShipsList/2007-03/1174445069)

marco crawford
15th January 2016, 05:18 PM
I believe that the Polonia was my fathers first ship as a radio officer. probably around 1936-1939. Anybody know how I can verify this? Crew list for example. He latter joined the MV Batory also as radio officer. I have a crew list with his name (Zygmunt Piotrowski) on Batory arrival at New York 1939.

Keith at Tregenna
15th January 2016, 07:36 PM
Could you help with some further information ? Date of birth, where born, death etc. Any numbers on official documents would be helpful, esp his sea service record / discharge book number. Did he have any links with Dawley, Shropshire ? Sorry, just home, long day. Will look in again later and try to help more. Any info will help. K

Jim Brady
15th January 2016, 07:51 PM
Hello Marco how long did your father serve on the Batory,the reason I ask is the fact that my brother sailed on her maybe around 1942.It was a Polish ship but British crew did sail on her.