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Captain Kong
29th October 2013, 11:55 AM
I have just watched a Prog, on Russian TV. RT. Very Very Interesting, 10am to 11 am
It was about huge fishing fleets from China fishing off West Africa, millions of tons of fish being taken, then it goes to Las Palmas as that is part of the european Union for transhipment into europe and UK.
The ships are registered in Mongolia and other countries that have no Agreements with the rest of the world.
The West Africans are starving because there is no fish for them.
It showed the beach in Senegal, the surf boats loaded with a hundred at a time sailing off to Las Palmas for asylum in europe and UK. many die on the voyage.
They said the reason they all wanted to come to europe and the UK, is because if you can take all our fish then you can take all our people.
I had some friends who were on the beach on holiday in the Canaries and as they sat on the beach hundreds af African immigrants were pouring in off the surf boats and walking past them up the beach.
Then Spain sends them all to England.
These progs are never shown in UK, I WONDER WHY??
Cheers
Brian.

j.sabourn
30th October 2013, 05:19 AM
A very plausible excuse Brian, suppose it does have a deal of truth in it. Shows how the world is going and yet people such as the Greens still rabbit on about climate change and how to tax people to change something they haven't a hope in hell of changing. The world as most see it now is run by big business, I get the impression that Europe just wants to be the biggest co-operative shop on the block. The U.S. is run by big business, and the poorer nations have been brainwashed by TV movies and such as to believe they have every right to take up residence in these countries. The sooner if ever we get some pollies with balls enough to stand up and say no, and properly enforce border control and not these tuppence halfpenny movies about such the better. It is time for another Churchill who at the very least would call a spade a spade. Cheers John Sabourn

John Arton
30th October 2013, 08:08 AM
Brian
That area off West Africa has been overfished for years. I can remember back in the mid 70's coming up to there on a tanker. I went on watch at 2000 only to find that the Mate had put us on collision course with a huge Russian fishing fleet and I spent the next 4 hours dodging large stern trawlers and huge factory ships. They must have been decimating any fish stocks that were there, catching any and all types of fish.
If the Chinese are there now then somehow those fish stocks must have revived. I hold no truck with these foreign fleets decimating fish stocks in seas many miles from their own country, leaving nothing for the local fishermen.
rgds
JA

John Pruden
30th October 2013, 08:28 AM
its all down to greed when is the food chain going to snap? our fishermen through some stupid rule by Europe have got to throw fish back even though they are dead. and yet outside the eu fishermen are stripping the seas of everything on mass there is only so many fish in the pond to start with yet some don't care? my son had a private viewing of the film captain Philips with his wife and interesting his wife felt sorry for the Somali people ? maybe she was looking at the pirates from a different angle than we do.jp

Captain Kong
30th October 2013, 08:57 AM
The film about the Chinese Fishing West Africa was on again last night on RT.
It showed the nets dragging on the sea bed. They fish like our european masters. They drag the sea bed leaving it like a desert, they scrape everything off. nothing left. The feeding ground and breeding ground destroyed.So the fish cannot feed or breed.
They make over one Billion Dollars a year. , that is why the Africans are starving and as they said, If you take our fish to europe you can take our people So China is responsible for a lot of Immigration here.
.
I remember the Russian Fishing fleets off West Africa. Hundreds of them, Big Suction trawlers taking millions of tons a year turning it into fertilizer and cattle food. What a terrible waste.
It was like sailing down Broadway in the night, the whole sea lit up with hundreds of vessels. Tight squeese for a VLCC.
A sad old world.
Brian

Louis the Amigo
30th October 2013, 09:06 AM
Hi Shipmates, The fisherman done the same to the herring stock in the U.K, it was said before the 1st world war, you could put an oar into any seawater around the coast, and catch a herring? but due to human greed what happen? the Chinese will find the same thing in west Africa none in the sea ....

Captain Kong
30th October 2013, 09:14 AM
Hi Louis That is the european style of fishing, drag it along the ground. destroying it for future generations of fish.
The British way is to fish about six feet above the ground leaving the feeding and breeding ground intact. Then the EVIL europeans have banned us from fishing. Fleetwood, one of Britains Biggest fishing ports is now closed down. No Fishing by order of brussels.
Morecambe Bay and the Irish Sea is full of Belgian, Spanish and French Trawlers , taking all our stocks while making us scrap our fishing boats.
It is time we sent the RAF to bomb brussels, If we had an RAF.
Brian.

Ivan Cloherty
30th October 2013, 09:45 AM
From what I remember of my deep sea trawling days (1950's) the last thing you drag along the seabed is your net, as even the otterboards would not clear all the obstructions and snagging your net on the bottom had one of two results (a) you lose your very expensive net (b) you lose your very expensive trawler by coming to a very sudden stop and heeling over with no chance of righting and probably losing all those on board; especially where we fished, Iceland, Bear Island and White sea. No survival suits then and even the summer months would see you gone in minutes. In those days the advice was try to swim and keep moving which in modern times science has proved this is contrary to what you should do as accelerates your demise by losing your internal warmth too quickly. My only observation on that is that anybody working on the deck of a trawler in the Arctic and near Arctic, has no body warmth.

As for trawling on the bottom, are the nets made of wire, if not could be a very expensive business even when hides are employed as diffusers outside the nets.

robpage
30th October 2013, 10:04 AM
The current UK methods can be found here

http://www.seafoodscotland.org/Catching-Methods/single-net-demersal-trawling.html

The Scallop dredge really does drag across the sea bed , causing massive damage

happy daze john in oz
31st October 2013, 05:44 AM
Scallop dredging here in Port Philip bay was banned for a few years due to low stock levels. Now a small number of licenced vessels are back, but they have a problem, when the unload the catch there are not enough local people willing to work as shuckers. So now most of the catch is shipped to Thailand, shucked there and flown back to Oz.

As for calling a spade a spade, I think you will now find yopu may only refer to them as an ethnic group.

John Arton
31st October 2013, 09:01 AM
As many have said, bottom trawling is the main cause of the disappearing fish stocks. In the North Sea our friends over the water fondness for sand eels meant that the bottom of the food chain disappeared with the result that fish stocks started to fall dramatically when bigger and more efficient trawlers were introduced. A number of our fellow EU members (Belgium etc.) had subsidies to enable their fishermen to build new bigger and more efficient fishing boats (look around Ijmuiden and Flushing and see the state of there fishing boats, all spanking brand new). EU fishing laws are a farce and do hardly anything to preserve fish stocks.
With the advent of North Sea oil exploration and production fish stocks were starting to recover as all this structures provided havens for the fish and also a source of food. In the early 70's I was on a shuttle tanker running up to the Montrose Alpha platform and whilst we were loading there you only had to put a line over the side and within minutes you would have a large cod or haddock on the end of it. There were so much fish around that we all used to pay off with some and the fish freezer chamber on board was stuffed full to such an extent that the chief steward was making a fortune by feeding us on fish for breakfast, lunch and dinner, pocketing part of his budget for ship stores that was designed for purchasing fish via the usual route from the ships chandler.
Now I like fish but three times a day and fish cakes for tabnabs at coffee time was just a bit too much. Only did one trip and then got shifted to bulkers.
rgds
JA

Captain Kong
31st October 2013, 09:43 AM
Thanks for that John
I go to Fleetwood every week or so, have a house there, , and at the Nautical College on and off since 1975 and it was very sad to see the decline in fishing imposed by our european masters.
The unemployment rate is tremendous, the whole town was built around fishing. I used to see the Fisheries Inspector come down to the Quayside every day, taking photos of the fishing vessels, to see who was missing, then he would be there again when they returned taking more photos. He was a Mr Jobsworth, reporting anyone who had gone fishing, We cannot allow this , he said, brussels says, No Fishing , and that is what it means and I will enforce it.
I am amazed that he was never thrown into the harbour. Eventually the vesseles were all scrapped and now there is just a museum trawler, Jacinta, left in the freeport as a tourist attraction. She was the most successful trawer ever, taking a miilion pounds a year, she fished off Iceland, Greenland and many other places around the Atlantic.
For years after brussels banned them from fishing, spanish and belgian trawlers were arriving with fish from the Irish sea whilst our boats just lay idle.
None come in now.
The port has closed, the bouys in the channel approaches have been removed, dredging has stopped. more than 50% of pubs closed. many shops lying empty. Very sad to have seen the decline from a very prosperous town to a derelect abandoned no hope of a place.
If you are a EU suporter in Fleetwood You would be Lynched and hanged from the nearest lamp post.
What an Evil Organisation.
Cheers
Brian.