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Keith Tindell
17th March 2013, 10:49 AM
Now i see the game introduces different rules, in Cypress you deposit your money for the bankers to play games with, then when they cock it up, they take a proportion of your money so they can keep going. The Brit troops there lose their money as well, so we pay it for them, and in our way prop the bad banks in Cypress up!!!, is it me, or is the world going bloody crackers. This lot in Cypress will have given our banks food for thought, so watch out lads and lassies, in fact i can see banks worldwide thinking *this is a good idea* KT

John Pruden
17th March 2013, 11:11 AM
this may course a run on the banking industry the whole system of the eu bailing countries out is a failure if a countries economy collapses take that country out of the eu how many can we support? i bet a bankers pay doesn't drop by a penny or his bonus every year what ever happend to just getting the sack and your p45 now its millions to get rid of them crazy world?jp

Jim Brady
17th March 2013, 11:17 AM
To plunder someones bank account like this seems nothing less than theft to me,how can the bankers just take money from your account without your permission.It's not even a loan or a type of bond.
Regards.
Jim.B.

John Pruden
17th March 2013, 11:44 AM
Jim if you look at their history lately they are a law unto themselves they don't care its not their money i can see firms going back to a wage packet in a few years with computer breakdowns and people not being able to pay bills is a bank safe today for all the interest you may as well go under the mattress like the old days.jp

vic mcclymont
17th March 2013, 11:48 AM
I have no axe to grind in saving bankers, but its not he bankers imposing the tax on Cyprus, its the EU.
The EU is demanding that the local populace pay towards the EU bail out of Cyprus.
How long before this tax is rolled out across all of the EU in order to spare the bloated economy of that institution?

Captain Kong
17th March 2013, 11:57 AM
They are taking 10% of everyones bank savings.
Why not just take All the Savings off All the Politicians in eu , that would certainly solve the crisis. and end this stupid eu.
Brian.

Louis the Amigo
17th March 2013, 01:43 PM
Hi shipmates, thats what happen in Argentina a few years ago the bankers took all the yankee dollars from all the bank accounts, and did a runner? No one was jailed for that crime ? The middle class were hit the worst some were force to live on the streets homeless eating out of bins. The greedy bankers stealing !0% is only the start in Cypress much more will follow , The banks are no longer trust worthy in the E.U. will this happen in the U.K.? After I took my few bob out of barclays 5 years ago !!! The first credit union I put the few bob in folded !!! but my account was cover by insurance thanks to the F.S.A. so had all my money back after 5 months waiting !!! A scam free money for them for 5 months?

john gill
17th March 2013, 02:02 PM
If indeed as is hinted at by one or two posts that this practice may spread to British banks, I'm well prepared for them- maths ain't my strong point, but how can they take 10% of f**k all?
gilly

Louis the Amigo
17th March 2013, 03:10 PM
Hi shipmates, questions' will the bank of England steal from its customers? or will the big five banks in the U.K.? and what could we do if they did?

john gill
17th March 2013, 03:46 PM
see below Louis.

Keith Moody
17th March 2013, 06:22 PM
although the EU want the people to help pay the country out of dept, it is a goverment order that will tell the banks to do this, after they take out the money there will be such a rush on the banks to get the rest of the peoples money out, that it will break the banks and they will be further in dept. along with more unemployment, I would think that this is a good time for Cypress to start some serious riots.
keith moody
R635978

john gill
17th March 2013, 07:29 PM
Just reading through your post Keith, i notice your discharge book no is fairly close to mine- R635733- as to the prospect of riots on the island, i was there a few years ago and it seemed that rioting seemed tobe the norm in Ayia Napa on a Saturday Night.
gilly

vic mcclymont
17th March 2013, 09:12 PM
A condition of the EU bailout was that the Cypriot Government tax the savings of the people of Cyprus. The EU wanted a far bigger share than the 10% negotiated by the Government of Cyprus.
Failure to implement the tax and no bailout money forthcoming from the EU.

Keith Moody
17th March 2013, 10:03 PM
John, yes i noticed this when you answered before, I too was at Gravesend in 1955 but you I think would have been before me, I was on the course that started in Oct. 1955 and because of a polio scare the course was cut short to 5 weeks, I joined New Zealand shipping co and sailed on the Ruahine on the evening tide of 24 December 1955.
keith moody
R635978

ps....... I find it most interesting when members put there DB book on here when opening or replying to something.

happy daze john in oz
18th March 2013, 04:20 AM
They are taking 10% of everyones bank savings.
Why not just take All the Savings off All the Politicians in eu , that would certainly solve the crisis. and end this stupid eu.
Brian.


Brian I am sure **** has enough put aside from all his benifits to solev some of this!

happy daze john in oz
18th March 2013, 04:21 AM
If indeed as is hinted at by one or two posts that this practice may spread to British banks, I'm well prepared for them- maths ain't my strong point, but how can they take 10% of f**k all?
gilly

Believe me mate they will find a way you can be sure of that.

happy daze john in oz
18th March 2013, 04:28 AM
This shows just hwo bad the EU situation is. A common market policy of free trade is not such a bad thing, but a common curency is a disaster. The situation is thata a few strong countries are attempting to support a large number of very poor countries in an attempt to bring them in line with the strong ones. This is not the way, the strong ones should make the weaker ones first improve then join the EU. The current situation does not encourage the weaker ones to do anything, they will get hand outs so why try to improve. The whole situation is a monumental dis aster waiting to happen. If Cyprus was to take this to the international courts there is a good chance the gov proposal of taking 10% of savings to be unconstitutional.

john gill
18th March 2013, 09:05 AM
Just looking at my Book Keith, i was a little earlier than you at the n s t s. I joined my first ship (Moss Hutchison boat- the Amarna) October '55, after leaving Gravesend less than a month earlier. Like yourself fairly well fast- tracked into the system.
gilly

Keith Tindell
18th March 2013, 09:32 AM
I wonder how many banks will be very busy this morning in the EU with people shifting their money out to somewhere deemed to be safer, could cause a run on the banks, and here we go again!!. The sooner a country has the guts to bail out of the Euro the better, bring an end to this insanity KT

John Pruden
18th March 2013, 10:43 AM
JUST A QUESTION what condition would this country be in if we had never joined the common market? the way it was explained to us at the time industies were moved around europe and everything in common market coutries would basicly be the same price like a loaf here would be the same price in the common market members its gone very far from them days now steel from india ship building far east the last time i noticed non were members of the cm?jp

Captain Kong
18th March 2013, 11:05 AM
John
Our Industries were signed away in the Lima Agreement in 1975, by , I think, Harold Wilson. a real good Socialist. all our industries had to be given away to Third World Countries to spread the work around to the poor countries who are now richer than we are.
I wonder if they will now give them back???
Cheers
Brian.

John Pruden
18th March 2013, 11:12 AM
no brian we are going cap in hand to countries we give aid to trying to get work off? is it me or is there something wrong with our thinking?jp

Jim Brady
18th March 2013, 11:30 AM
Just listening to an ex.pat on the phone from Cyprus to Radio 5 Live.He said a Cypriot friend of his had just sold his house last week for 350k the money was paid into his account on Friday if this deal go's through he will lose 35k just like that!!!This guy said people like the guy loosing 35k will not take this lying down and he can see riots on the streets.
Regards,
Jim.B.

robpage
18th March 2013, 12:24 PM
John
Our Industries were signed away in the Lima Agreement in 1975,
Brian.

1975 was Harold Wilson #

The Lima Declaration
The full title of this treaty is "Lima Declaration And Plan Of Action On Industrial Development And Co-Operation. The treaty was signed in 1975 at a convention of the United Nations Industrial Development Organisation, in Lima, Peru. The treaty is an international agreement to wind down national manufacturing in developed nations, and transfer that manufacturing capability to developing nations.


This treaty sets the policy which has, over 30 years, encouraged corporations to build themselves into globalist multinationals. It only benefits these corporations and their international bankers.


A key clause states ...


recognising the urgent need to bring about the establishment of a new international economic order based on equity, sovereign equality, interdependence and co-operation, as has been expressed in the Declaration and Programme of Action on the Establishment of a New International Economic Order, in order to transform the present structure of economic relations.

In February 1963 after Hugh Gatskill's untimely death Anthony Crosland called the leadership election "A choice between a crook (Wilson) and a drunk (Brown). I quite liked Tony Crosland , in Wilsons Cabinet of 1966 He was the lowest property owner when he purchased a house in Hull for 100,000 , this was 1966 , the Socialists at ministerial level all had property well above 100.000 except Crosland his was just worth that , I could but a really good new four bedroom detached in Derbyshire for 2,500 so the poorest minister could buy 40 working men's posh houses , i think socialist is stealth Conservative thief ,

cappy
18th March 2013, 12:32 PM
it would be interesting to see the final total of monies taken in this situation and what countries had what taken one things for sure if you are hard working and lucky the powers that be will find a way to take it off you ihad to pay between 7 and 14 percent to borrow money for my factory machinery but now ive sold out ican get btween half of 1 percnt and two percent if its tied up probably till I leave this mortal coil then pay tax on that but its nice to think my effin taxes are going to help some wary oriental gentlemen perhaps someone whos been in finance can tell me wre all the percentages paid went regards cappy

Captain Kong
18th March 2013, 02:12 PM
If all these countries, about five or six so far, need to be bailed out because of their economies, they didnt seem be in financial trouble before the EU , then obviously the EU should be scrapped.
I think it is only in excistance for the beaurocrats of the EU to make a lot of money for themselves. so I think they make the MAFIA look like a charitable organisation,
It is of No use to us.
We were a wealthy nation trading world wide, as we all knew as Seafarers, shipping our exports world wide, we lost all our overseas markets because of the EU. and now we have to bail out the losers.
I despair once again.
Brian

Jim Brady
18th March 2013, 02:46 PM
What would happen if these country's that are heavily in debt declare themselves skint and took the same action as Argentina and Iceland and defaulted on their loans would this wipe the slate clean?Maybe they could go back to their own currency and set their own Bank Rate I'm sure some of them would be better out of the Euro.
Regards.
Jim.B.

John Pruden
18th March 2013, 03:36 PM
i wonder how many are waiting for the chance to jump ship we can only carry so many so far ?diferent cultures don't set out the taxes the way we do.jp

Louis the Amigo
18th March 2013, 08:35 PM
Hi Shipmates Cypress scam 10% off everyone who has money in a bank account? what a con job by the E.U. = The E.U. now control the banks and everything else, What has gone wrong? The E.U. is for the people? NOT the BANKS !!! pickpockets now work for the bankers'? how long before that happens here A new E.U. bail out fund from savers in the U.K.

John Pruden
18th March 2013, 10:24 PM
tbs announced today many leading bankers got a six figure some in bonus this years? i thought the government had a lot to say seeing its part owned by the government what is going on who is running this scam? we are skint aren't we or is it just some of us are in this together.jp

happy daze john in oz
19th March 2013, 12:16 AM
JUST A QUESTION what condition would this country be in if we had never joined the common market? the way it was explained to us at the time industies were moved around europe and everything in common market coutries would basicly be the same price like a loaf here would be the same price in the common market members its gone very far from them days now steel from india ship building far east the last time i noticed non were members of the cm?jp

This is the main problem with the EU. It will take generations, if ever, for common prices across all members. How can you have the same price for a loaf of bread in Germany and Romania? Two countries at extreme ends of the economic scale. Prices of goods are normaly relevant to wages, the higher the general wage standard the higher the price of goods. But it goes further than that, it is alsoa case of life style. In the poorer countries they often queue for basics such as bread which for many is a basic staple diet, where as in Germany they is more money spent on luxury goods. Then there is the cost of utilities, from what I know a greater percentage of wages goes to gas and electric in UK than in some other EU countries. This is why it is doubtful that equality across the Eu will ever be achieved.

happy daze john in oz
19th March 2013, 12:17 AM
John
Our Industries were signed away in the Lima Agreement in 1975, by , I think, Harold Wilson. a real good Socialist. all our industries had to be given away to Third World Countries to spread the work around to the poor countries who are now richer than we are.
I wonder if they will now give them back???
Cheers
Brian.

I doubt it, not whilst the ikes of **** are doing so well from the current situation.
Just a thought Brain, but should we give **** some respect and call him Mr. ****? No I thought not, silly me.

happy daze john in oz
19th March 2013, 12:24 AM
What would happen if these country's that are heavily in debt declare themselves skint and took the same action as Argentina and Iceland and defaulted on their loans would this wipe the slate clean?Maybe they could go back to their own currency and set their own Bank Rate I'm sure some of them would be better out of the Euro.
Regards.
Jim.B.

Jim early last year a suggestion was floated here in Oz that debts from som eof these poorer countries be wiped off allowing them to begin with a fresh start. It did gain some support but sadly the major stake holders, mainly Russia and china would not agree. Both of those countries are major providors of global credit. here is also a political agenda here. If you wipe the sltae clean for them then you have no hold on them. There is a concerted push to ensure that only certain countries, China, India, Brazil do well very often at the expence of poorer nations.

j.sabourn
19th March 2013, 09:38 AM
Just get rid of all the politicians. John Sabourn

cappy
19th March 2013, 09:57 AM
spoke to my local postman this morninghes a canny lad asked him about the ballot on strike action he hadnot heard a thing about it I told him there had been a union leader spouting off a fat bstard didn't look as if he could walk a round but that's usual for unionstalk the talk but cant walk the walk themselves he said the emails and texts etc were taking lots of mail away and he covered now wot used to be done by two posties inless time is this a good time for to get even less mail the fat bstard seems to think so regards cappy:smashPC:

j.sabourn
19th March 2013, 09:58 AM
Nearly every Industry over the past 20 years has reduced manpower on the excuse that machines etc can do the job. The only Industry which is overmanned mostly by uneccessary and untrained dead heads are politicians. Why is it necessary to have so many, if any at all. I dont know what the result is in uk is about the libertys of the press, but believe the one in power here is trying to get curbs on same, no doubt she is looking to the forthcoming elections and is worried about the bad press that no doubt will come out about her and her party. If a government controls the press that is the absolute end to Democracy and we are no better than these states that run a government press. The press does run free rein at times but at least with the modern computers etc. people have the right to reply which goes worldwide so they dont have it all their own way. As regards the mess that the EU has got itself into, what does anyone expect, different races and people have different outlooks, you just cant dump the lot in the pot together and hope the mix will come out good. The worlds animal and fauna life has more idea as they keep to their own. There again the average politician has a brain probably below the one of a monkey. Cheers John Sabourn

Louis the Amigo
19th March 2013, 10:28 AM
Hi shipmates, our heavy industry has long gone, what we do today is move money around on computers "City of london" or service jobs/retail every proper job cost more and more to the company,What is needed is new types of Industry and many new jobs will be created the E.U. should become a closed shop, to stop China dumping they rubbish on us ,A 70 % tax should do the trick The Chinese have plenty of people who want they goods in Africa/ and many other countries so they workers wont suffer?

Captain Kong
19th March 2013, 03:56 PM
Jim early last year a suggestion was floated here in Oz that debts from som eof these poorer countries be wiped off allowing them to begin with a fresh start. It did gain some support but sadly the major stake holders, mainly Russia and china would not agree. Both of those countries are major providors of global credit. here is also a political agenda here. If you wipe the sltae clean for them then you have no hold on them. There is a concerted push to ensure that only certain countries, China, India, Brazil do well very often at the expence of poorer nations. Like HD JOHN
.
. Hi John, I saw on Al Jazeera TV News, that your lovely lady PM has Doubled aid to Myanmar and also a gift of 20,000,000 dollars as well.
Isnt she nice.
Brian.

happy daze john in oz
20th March 2013, 03:13 AM
Jim early last year a suggestion was floated here in Oz that debts from som eof these poorer countries be wiped off allowing them to begin with a fresh start. It did gain some support but sadly the major stake holders, mainly Russia and china would not agree. Both of those countries are major providors of global credit. here is also a political agenda here. If you wipe the sltae clean for them then you have no hold on them. There is a concerted push to ensure that only certain countries, China, India, Brazil do well very often at the expence of poorer nations. Like HD JOHN
.
. Hi John, I saw on Al Jazeera TV News, that your lovely lady PM has Doubled aid to Myanmar and also a gift of 20,000,000 dollars as well.
Isnt she nice.
Brian.

Brian this lady, if she can be so named, is chucking money around like there is no tommorow, but it is only tax payers money so it does not count.

happy daze john in oz
20th March 2013, 03:19 AM
John #36, this so called gov of ours has been after the press for ages, they do not like the truth about them being published. But it looks as if it will get through now after a few amendmenst. Two independents who were so opposed to it have changed their minds, had they not there was agood chance the gov could have fallen. That would have meant an early election and them out of a job. Staying in power is what it is all about, not what is good for the nation.

Keith Tindell
20th March 2013, 08:25 AM
I may not be the brightest match in the box, but what the bloody hell are 3000 British troops and their families doing in Cypress???, if its peace keeping, why is the EU not playing a big role??, troops in Germany!!! what the hell are we playing at, i despair KT

cappy
20th March 2013, 10:04 AM
I think at one stage the british army was based in Cyprus and other warmer climes to be acclimatised to hotter weather so the could go to india or Africa etc andup the gulf at short notice to fight in colder places they only have to send them to south shields when a north easter is blowing lol cappy:rolleyes:

robpage
20th March 2013, 10:05 AM
Well if it is to keep the Russians out they failed

Jim Brady
20th March 2013, 10:42 AM
Like the Navy ran Malta the RAF ran Cyprus.My brother worked for GCHQ and worked at various listening post's shortly before he retired he did a three year stint in Cyprus.
Regards.
Jim.B.