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Jim Brady
23rd December 2012, 08:35 PM
I think that there are now something like 500 food banks around the country.People using them are not necessarily out of work "scroungers" but people in work who are finding things at the moment tough and people who have worked all their life now being put out of work.The amusing thing is David Cameron was asked the question the other day "what did he think about these food banks and the amount of people having to use them?"His smug reply was "This is what I meant about The Big Society where we all help each other".Did he forsee this situation coming through his politics when he made that statement?
Regards.
Jim.B.

Captain Kong
23rd December 2012, 08:47 PM
There is No excuse for Cameron to have food banks, created by his Cuts because the Country has no money so we have to cut back on everything.
The ball Bag has enough money to provide 53,000,000 pounds plus of Aid and Military Equipment to Islamic Jihad and all the other Islamic Fanatics who are rampaging through Syria and have threatened again today to kill all Christians in Syria. They Must Die, one Islamic said on Al Jazeera TV News.
These are the same fanatics who are backed by Al Qeada and the Taliban Terrorists who are killing our very own Servicemen and women in Afghanistan.
If the ball bag can supply the Killers of our own people with Millions of Pounds, surely he can afford to feed the people of this once great Nation that has been taken away from us.
Brian .....once more in despair for our Nation.

happy daze john in oz
24th December 2012, 05:17 AM
It is occuring around the globe I fear. Here in Oz the Salvoc are complaining that this year less has been donated by those with so those without may be serviced. It is estimated that one of the food kitchens will serve up to 1,000 Christmas Dinners to the needy and we are told we are a rich country. It has also been discovered that soem of the 'Charity' shops are sorting clothes donated and selling the best of it to other countries where they are getting more than they would at home.

Calvin Kent
24th December 2012, 08:06 AM
I don't think anyone would argue with the immorality of some of the foreign aid being dished out when people are going hungry at home. What I hate is the smugness of the opposition benches when they heckle the present government over cuts rather than both sides rallying to sort out the mess. A party that allowed in four million immigrants plus however many illegal ones in a ten year period has done more to cause these hardships than anyone. Take away these numbers and we wouldn't have a crisis in housing, schools, NHS, etc. Hell, I don't think we'd have hardly noticed the recession.

Regards
Calvin

John Pruden
24th December 2012, 08:21 AM
being laid up in bed this week the big society yeah flicking through the channels on the telly i observed a politician talking yes talking they must be the only occupation that you can speak for half an hour and yet say nothing!!!!.jp

john sutton
24th December 2012, 09:14 AM
If you're not familiar with the work of Steven Wright:

"I woke up one morning and all of my stuff had been stolen and replaced by exact duplicates."

His mind sees things differently than most of ours do, to our amazement, and amusement.

Here are some of his gems:

1 - I'd kill for a Nobel Peace Prize.

2 - Borrow money from pessimists -- they don't expect it back.

3 - Half the people you know are below average.

4 - 99% of lawyers give the rest a bad name.

5 - 82.7% of all statistics are made up on the spot.

6 - A conscience is what hurts when all your other parts feel so good.

7 - A clear conscience is usually the sign of a bad memory.

8 - If you want the rainbow, you got to put up with the rain.

9 - All those who believe in psycho kinesis, raise my hand.

10 - The early bird may get the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.

11 - I almost had a psychic girlfriend... but she left me before we met.

12 - OK, so what's the speed of dark?

13 - How do you tell when you're out of invisible ink?

14 - If everything seems to be going well, you have obviously overlooked something.

15 - Depression is merely anger without enthusiasm.

16 - When everything is coming your way, you're in the wrong lane.

17 - Ambition is a poor excuse for not having enough sense to be lazy.

18 - Hard work pays off in the future, laziness pays off now.

19 - I intend to live forever... So far, so good.

20 - If Barbie is so popular, why do you have to buy her friends?

john sutton

Captain Kong
24th December 2012, 10:17 AM
We are and have given Billions in Aid to INDIA over the years, a few years ago we gave them five billion pounds and they went and bought Submarines from Russia with OUR money. Not ordered from Britain.
NOW I have just watched Russian TV , They said Putin is in INDIA selling a Massive Arms Deal to INDIA.
AGAIN India is using Our Money to buy Russian Arms.
All that employment for our people totally wasted by this Government.
So I guess Cameron means we are all [ except them] in this unemployment together.
As I once said, "Is Cameron a Nut Case or a Traitor to Britain."
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Why does INDIA need Aid from us when it can afford to spend Billions of pounds on Weapons from Russia.???
Is Cameron MAD??, It is our, the Tax Payers money, Not his. So is he Stealing from us???
What is he getting out of it??
Is he on back handers one wonders????
WHY???
If I took money off my neighbour at No.11 and gave it to my neighbour at No.15, Do you think No.11 would object??, He sure would, that is what Cameron is doing, taking our money and giving it to some one else.
He is a Millionare, Now if he feels sorry for these countries would you not think that he would give his own money to help them out?
So why is he allowed to give Our money away, without our permission.??
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I dont want to feed Africa, they should stop having millions of babies, food shortage solved.
I dont want to give my money to Pakistan, they also should stop having too many babies and stop building Nuclear weapons. Problems solved.
same as India, stop having milluions of babies, so we dont have to feed them so they can buy weapons of mass destruction from Russia with their own money. problem solved.
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Surely Cameron cannot be so thick he cannot figure that out for himself.
When I was a kid at school 70 years ago we collected for the starving in Africa, It has never changed, the problem is they are breeding, more mouths to feed, the more you feed them the more they breed, so more mouths to feed, Dont give them food, give them Condoms. stop the breeding and maybe, just maybe, they could feed themselves.

Brian.................... who is confused about a government who doesnt know how to Govern.

Bill Bland
24th December 2012, 10:53 AM
being laid up in bed this week the big society yeah flicking through the channels on the telly i observed a politician talking yes talking they must be the only occupation that you can speak for half an hour and yet say nothing!!!!.jp

how true. when in oppersition they can fix the world, when power "It is much worse than they thought""Have you noticed when it comes to a pay rise and perks both sides are all in favour.

John Pruden
24th December 2012, 11:57 AM
just had an interesting phone call over this bedroom tax{was he sorry} i don't live in a very large house 3 bed rooms but the way this tax is worked out if you have visitors grand kids or family chances are no one can stay or visit? so i asked the person on the other end to turn his tape on and then i started questioning him first question if an mp has a two bedroom second house in say London is he exempt or will the tax come under his expenses{don't know his reply} as all pallaces are subsidised by the British tax payer are royalty exempt{don't know his reply} as we child mind for grandchildren if we move one would have to leave work and not contribute to the country? yes you quest it{don't know} then i asked this is not a racist question but if i wanted asylum in this country and the only accommodation was a house that they deemed to big would they be turned away{don't know} to which i answered you don't seem to know a lot do you????then i told him i had already emailed my mp and even he dos not think it is a well planned and thought out. now i will spend some of our eu tax pounds on taking this to Europe if they wish because this law is against my human rights civil liberties and as being white British born i will stand my ground for the under dog ME his reply we will get in touch after the holiday i wished him happy Christmas. what a tosser.jp

Captain Kong
24th December 2012, 12:51 PM
Good one John.
Sorry but I do not fully understand a bedroom tax,
What is it for,
Does that mean if I have three bedrooms I have to pay tax on the other two? If I use one for my office does that mean I have one spare bedroom and then if I use that one as Gym does that mean I have No spare bedrooms.?
It is only a bedroom iif it has a bed in it. So no tax , surely.
Have a nice one John.
Cheers
Brian.

Captain Kong
25th December 2012, 10:54 AM
I have just watched RUSSIAN TV,
It was announced that Russia and India have just signed an Agreement.
India is to spend $3000,000,000 on arms from Russia,
that is £2000,000,000 of OUR MONEY GOING TO RUSSIA,. and we pay India to do that.
.
I just thought I would spoil your Christmas Day.
Brian

Neil Morton
25th December 2012, 10:31 PM
Here in Oz we have a Housing Commission,state run for low income families.It works the same as your county council. Some residents have lived in a three bed commission house or flat for most of their adult lives. Have raised families who have flown the coop and partners that have passed away. Now they are being told that this is unfair to those waiting on a list. The suggestion is that they move into a single unit of which there is a scarcity or share with strangers. This is causing great anxiety amongst senior citizens. Imagine the distress caused by the short sightedness of State governments both left and right wing who employ Town Planners that obviously cannot plan or are stifled in their work by a budget that favours the top end of town.
There is always money for sports from the state coffers but never enough for housing of the people who work and pay the taxes.

Jim Brady
26th December 2012, 09:43 AM
Neil,I wonder if Oz got the idea from the UK or did we get it from oz.Here I dont think the government are bothered if people stay in the house where they have bedrooms that they dont use,this is where the bedroom tax comes in.It only affects people who are in receipt of benefits and it will not affect OAP's.A person living alone with 2 bedrooms will have a benefit cut of 14% a person with 3 bedrooms will have a cut of 25%..I believe that there are some 300.000 people on Merseyside that will come into the catergory under occupied,there is no way that all of these people can downsize so it will be a reduction in benefits for them,I myself think that thatis the governments main aim to ge the Social Security bill down.
Regards.
Jim.B.

Captain Kong
26th December 2012, 11:46 AM
It was on Russian TV again about President PUTIN going to INDIA to sell Russian Arms to them, only $3,000,000,000.
We pay India millions in Aid so they can give it to Russia, what a good deal.
.
So while Cameron was poncing about in Parliamment trying to convert Churches to having Homosexual Weddings and Fox Hunting debates, Putin was out there selling and creating good jobs for the Russian People.
How many jobs here could have been created with a £2,000,000,000, order????????
.
Three weeks ago Angela Merkel the German Prime Minister went to CHINA and secured a £50,000,000 order for aircraft and parts.
How many jobs in the UK could have been created with an order like that.
2013, Mr CAMERON, YOU MUST DO BETTER,/OR ELSE.
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The USA have just secured a $1,200,000,000 Order from South Korea for drones.
How many jobs could have been created in the UK with an order like that.
That is only the tip of the iceberg.
.
BUT I guess Cameron must get his priorities right. Look after the Homosexuals, it doesnt matter about the unemployed, it doesnt matter about the hungry queing at Food Banks, Because `we are all in this together.`
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Happy Christmas Mr Cameron, Hope all your Queer friends appreciate what you are doing for them at OUR expense.
2013, Mr CAMERON, YOU MUST DO BETTER,/OR ELSE.

Brian.

Jim Brady
26th December 2012, 12:53 PM
India power surge leaves UK lagging.

Britain will be overtaken by India in the league table of world powerhouses.It will outstrip the UK by 2017 and be the fourth largest economy behind the US,China and Japan by 2022.Britain is to slip from six to eighth place while Germany falls two places to sixth and France from fith to ninth.Russia goes up two places to seventh.
Regards.
Jim.B.

Tom Kirby
26th December 2012, 10:21 PM
In the media last week. If you are over 70 years old you may be refused a life saving operation because of your age, and almost certainly if you are 75. But what do we see in the papers? A picture of Cameron smiling with Maggie Thatcher outside of No10 Downing St after her operation at the age of 87. "We are not all in this together" it stinks.

Captain Kong
27th December 2012, 12:52 AM
I had two operations in the last two years and I am almost 78. I have never heard of an age restriction on operations, I was talking to my son tonight who is a Consultant Hepatologist, Liver diseases and transplants, no discrimination at all only if it does not make any difference to the patients prospects. It depends on the health, heart, lungs and so on, a patient could die on the table, there are a lot of factors involved, So Maggies op was not just for her, anyone who is fit enough for the rigours of an Op can have one.
Cheers
Brian.

happy daze john in oz
27th December 2012, 06:13 AM
Good one John.
Sorry but I do not fully understand a bedroom tax,
What is it for,
Does that mean if I have three bedrooms I have to pay tax on the other two? If I use one for my office does that mean I have one spare bedroom and then if I use that one as Gym does that mean I have No spare bedrooms.?
It is only a bedroom iif it has a bed in it. So no tax , surely.
Have a nice one John.
Cheers
Brian.

I conclude that a reoom is only a bed room if there is a bed in it. Take the bed out and it is just a room, so put another toilet in and let a ploitician live there!!!
On the net just before Christmas, Cameron said that there would be no more aid for Indai as they are now able to fend for them selves. Or that could mean they have all left and are now living in Boltonstan.

John Pruden
27th December 2012, 07:48 AM
Jim how can this country compete with half the world living on a few dollars a day and only a few creaming the profits of the labours of the masses. we in this country that actually live here are taxed to the hilt so its the what we call poor countries are creeping ahead of us and yet we are sending billions to them.jp

Captain Kong
27th December 2012, 09:15 AM
Hi John
I have said it before,
It is `THE NEW WORLD ORDER`, all the Govenerments of the wealthier Nations signed up to it in 1975 , called
`LIMA AGREEMENT`.
The wealtier Nations send their Industries to the poorer Nations and spread work and wealth around the world.
The wealtier Nations, including Britain, can then afford to pay Benefits to the people who have lost their Jobs, and the
Poor nations have theiir poor people working in industry earning a living.
On top of that there would be a free movement of people around the world. such as Mass Migration from the Poor Countries to the wealthier Countries. thus doing away with boundaries and the thought is that that would reduce the the tendency to go to war, There would be no Nationalities, just people of the world.
So spread the wealth and the people around the globe like spreading butter around it, we are now all the same. [barzstewards.]
That was what was designed in the United Nations by men in suits and horn rimmed glasses who know more than the ordinary people.
Harold Wilson Signed up for it. in more recent years Gordon Brown also signed up a later edition of it.
There is Nothing we can do about it. We are Screwed and Glued.
Enjoy your day, things are about to get worse.
Brian.

Captain Kong
27th December 2012, 09:30 AM
Tom Kirby
Hi Tom,
When you have to go for an operation, you have a Medical examination by the Doctors, Blood pressure checks, and ECG for the strength of the Heart, Lung function tests. Blood tests, to see the electrolites, the blood count, the red and white corpusels . etc, etc, Kydney tests, Liver function tests, and so on, Then they can assess if you can survive an operation, more so, the anaesthetic. It is the anaesthetic that kills old people on the table. if their lungs and heart are knackered.
So an Operation depends upon the health of the Patient. can they survive the anesthetic.??
This was explained to me by a Surgeon last June when I was due an operation on my knee, He talked me out of it when he explained what it was all about, he suggested physiotherapy, because i was going to have to have physio anyway after the operation. I did physio every day for three months and my knee is now better without the operation. He told me that the Anaesthetic kills more elderly patients than the reason for the operation.
He did not deny me the operation , but gave me a choice. I am glad I took the right choice.
So because Maggie had a minor operation it does not Stink, she may not have had full anaesthetic, it could have been just a local one. so no effect on the Lungs and heart.
I hope that this explains the case.
There is No restriction on age of the elderly, just the patients health and can they survive the Anaesthetic.
Cheers
Briana.

Ivan Cloherty
27th December 2012, 10:10 AM
Tom Kirby

There is No restriction on age of the elderly, just the patients health and can they survive the Anaesthetic.
Cheers
Briana.

'BRIANA' !! oh! no! for god's sake get back in the closet and get out the correct side, we prefer Brian!

Jim Brady
27th December 2012, 10:24 AM
Brian,the NHS are talking people out of operations that they consider "None life threatening" the object being to save money.I had an eye test I was told by the optician that the cataracts on my eyes definitely neaded removing.Seen the specialist at the hostpital he told me,"your right eye has had it If remove the cataracts on your left eye and it goes wrong which they often do you wont be able to see atall so you are better carrying on the way you are." I'l be back in the new year and demand the operation.
Regards.
Jim.B.

John Pruden
27th December 2012, 10:46 AM
our Christmas this week we started the day perfect all the grand children for Christmas breakfast everyone around the table smiles laughter all around presents given a lovely time same dinner time all happy full of Christmas joy after everyone had gone we sat on the couch and reflected at the day and what a good time we had then 9pm we had the call our sister in law had been ill and an ambulance had been called we raced to the house to find paramedics and ambulance crews there from there to hospital she had had a massive heart attack and they were trying to resuscitate her so we went from the most perfect day to the worst nightmare at 12.05 whilst her hand was held she sadly passed away at the age of 53 leaving her husband and a 14 year old boy so people try to be as good as you can be to each other for the coming year because its true you never know the minute the staff were second to none even though it is holiday time and everything possible was done god bless the nhs for the effort made.jp

Captain Kong
27th December 2012, 10:57 AM
So Sorry to hear that John. so sad.
Brian

Captain Kong
27th December 2012, 11:02 AM
Briana.
'BRIANA' !! oh! no! for god's sake get back in the closet and get out the correct side, we prefer Brian!
IVAN.
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Hi Ivan,
I guess we all have our `moments.` but dont tell my neighbours, I may get stoned to death.
Brian, [this time]

Roger Dyer
27th December 2012, 11:10 AM
Hi Shipmates,

Never thought I would be contributing to this thread. Believe it or not, I generally try and avoid political debate although, I confess, not always with total success.

There is not much you and I disagree on, Brian (Kong) and it seems that is still the case. Contrary to what many may think (and there will be those sceptical of your comments regarding the 'Lima Agreement') your concerns are well-founded. The 'Lima Agreement' is a further example of how the secret machinations of international power-brokers (not always politicians) seek to control the affairs of man. It is but a large scale example of how the devices and designs of influential men deign to arrange the future for us all. It is for what they percieve to be the 'betterment of mankind', but the current turmoil throughout the world would suggest that such ambition is flawed. In one sense it is an extension of what a shadowy, influential, group of Europeans once planned for the future of Europe. I refer to the 'Bildebergers', a group which included Britain's own, Ted Heath (and no, unfortunately, I don't mean the famous British band-leader). It is through their influence that the concept of a united Europe, though not an original idea, was brought to fruition, albeit with less than successful results. Recently we are beginning to see the great conception starting to unravel. As far as Europe is concerned it is now apparent that, when formulating a 'united' Europe, the puppet-masters never accounted for the problem that might be created by greed, jealousy, traditional distrust, and dislike amongst some member nations. Did they not consider that the inherent cultural differences existent in different parts of Europe, might cause insurmountable barriers to the fulfillment of their dream?...... it seems not.

In my opinion, the 'Lima Agreement', as originally percieved, and the EU have a commonality - in the long term, both are doomed to failure.


HAPPY NEW YEAR EVERYBODY !!!!!! and remember...........When you're smiling, when you're smiling, the whole world smiles with yooou... AND..... Always look on the bright side of life....da dum, da dum da dum da dum.......


...................Roger:D


p.s. It's the Chivas Regal you know, it does it to me every year.

Captain Kong
27th December 2012, 11:16 AM
The Big Society.
Brian,the NHS are talking people out of operations that they consider "None life threatening" the object being to save money.I had an eye test I was told by the optician that the cataracts on my eyes definitely neaded removing.Seen the specialist at the hostpital he told me,"your right eye has had it If remove the cataracts on your left eye and it goes wrong which they often do you wont be able to see atall so you are better carrying on the way you are." I'l be back in the new year and demand the operation.
Regards.
Jim.B.
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Hi Jim, you are right. Cost is a big factor, but age is not the problem in the case that Tom brought up.
The hospiitals have a budget imposed on them by the Government. They do struggle to keep to those figures and if a Doctor thinks an Operation is unneccessary for the Patient then of course he will give the Patient a choice to have or not to have, wilth an alternative way.
I was given a choice, I could have had an operation on my knee but tried his alternative solution and in my case it worked, two years ago I did have the operation on my other knee and it did take a long time to get over it. with the Physio.
So this time I am glad I didnt have the op.
I guess it depends on the medical problem and its affect on the individual patient.
But as I originally said there is No age barrier for Patients operations, only if the Patient is fit enough to have the op.
Hope you get your eyes sorted, most precious thing you can have, I would rather lose my legs than my sight.
I was sent to the Hospital to have Catteracts removed from my left eye, It was an Afghan looking type of fellow,
He said `No problem, I go fix it good for you`, I said `No you wont, I am off` and went home. I will wait for a while before I try another hospital.
Cheers ,
Brian.

Captain Kong
27th December 2012, 11:35 AM
Good one, Roger.
It is the Bildebergers agreement that Gordon Brown also signed us up to. without the Nation knowing a thing about it, we are now committed to a completely way of life against our wishes.
The Country belongs to the People of this country not a handful of gangster MPs

Cheers
Brian.

Roger Dyer
27th December 2012, 01:03 PM
John (Pruden), my sincere condolences to you and your family for the sad loss of your sister-in-law. When posting #27 I did so totally unaware of the contents of your post #24, however, I do apologise if the light-hearted end of my post offended you in any way. It was certainly unintentional.

..............Roger

Tony Morcom
27th December 2012, 03:27 PM
A desperately sad way to finish Christmas John. My condolences to you and your family.

John Pruden
27th December 2012, 06:33 PM
it was good that my brother in law peter is a chief engineer was home at the time thanks lads for your wishes the world has lost a diamond a true heart of gold.jp

Jim Brady
27th December 2012, 07:27 PM
John,so sad to hear your bad news,I knew the girl when she used to come into my local to see her dad Dickie an ex RN man.And of course I new her husband Peter a Chief on the Norwegian ships.Condolences from me and my family.
Regards.
Jim.B.

John Pruden
27th December 2012, 09:40 PM
jim peter was due to retire and looking forward to doing things with them it was his last trip after a liftime at sea what a dirty trick life has played on him he is in bits at this time but he has a good family behind him we stand together always.jp

Charlie Hannah
28th December 2012, 02:16 AM
John very sad especially so at this time of year.My condolences To your Family and your self.

happy daze john in oz
28th December 2012, 04:59 AM
'BRIANA' !! oh! no! for god's sake get back in the closet and get out the correct side, we prefer Brian!

Oh I don't know it m,ay suit him, maybe he has been turned by the Boltonstanians?????

happy daze john in oz
28th December 2012, 05:01 AM
...................... we went from the most perfect day to the worst nightmare at 12.05 whilst her hand was held she sadly passed away at the age of 53 leaving her husband and a 14 year old boy ................

Condolences mate, that is indeed sad. Live for the day, it may be your last we just never know.

happy daze john in oz
28th December 2012, 05:07 AM
For many years now there has been the belief that the world is controled by a hand full of men hidden away,there is more truth in that than many would understand.
Spent christmas day with my good lady and my brother who has at last got sense and kicked his into touch. We went to a very good restaurant within the casino complex here in Melbourne. Afetr a couple of hours for lunch we walked around the casino just to have alook. The gaming floors were overflowing with people, about 50% being of Asian origins so Christmas may have little meaning for them. But the rest were good white Australians many of them in their 20's or so. Whta ever happened to the traditional 'family' Christmas??

Dennis McGuckin
28th December 2012, 11:53 PM
John,
Think the rot set in when religion/Christianity was taken out of schools. And in many cases the home.
The real meaning of Christmas has been eroded over the years.
Now in a majority of family's it is all about the gifts, food and drink.
Wonder if there was a survey, how many of today's youth would know why we celebrate Christmas?
Den.

John Pruden
29th December 2012, 08:24 AM
DENNIS of course they do its when father christmas brings the next xbox games out?:pjp

John Small
29th December 2012, 09:36 AM
It is occuring around the globe I fear. Here in Oz the Salvoc are complaining that this year less has been donated by those with so those without may be serviced. It is estimated that one of the food kitchens will serve up to 1,000 Christmas Dinners to the needy and we are told we are a rich country. It has also been discovered that soem of the 'Charity' shops are sorting clothes donated and selling the best of it to other countries where they are getting more than they would at home.

Its happening where I live John, every week we are bombarded with plastic bags to fill with all our unwanted clothes,
I filled a black bag up with old clothes took them down our local Oxfam shop, thinking I am helping someone. and see nearly every week these same
black bags, being picked up by the same vans that deliver and collect from our shops which we know go on to be sold in Europe.
Some one is making a lot of money.
P.S.
I am having to write this in the middle of winter the only clothing i have left ( shorts and vest and flip flips)

John:icon_violin:

Captain Kong
29th December 2012, 09:37 AM
My mate and drinking partner, Derek, died on CHRISTMAS DAY, he died in the Ambulance, outside of his house, just as his twin daughters arrived with the Christmas Prezzies. that was real sad for them.
Cheers
Brian.

Ivan Cloherty
29th December 2012, 09:53 AM
My mate and drinking partner, Derek, died on CHRISTMAS DAY, he died in the Ambulance, outside of his house, just as his twin daughters arrived with the Christmas Prezzies. that was real sad for them.
Cheers
Brian.

Our thoughts are with you and his family Brian

Rgds Ivan

John Pruden
29th December 2012, 11:44 AM
condolences Brian we are in the same fog of grief at this time.jp

Gulliver
29th December 2012, 01:50 PM
Very Sad Brian and I feel your pain.
I also had to accompany a friend to A & E on Christmas Day after a nasty accident.It was noticeable there was a great percentage of over 60's there requiring attention after falls,heart attacks and strokes- we were there 12 hours-and beds were 'queued' down the corridors awaiting attention. As well as trying to comfort my friend I also had to console a woman whose 97 year old mother from a nursing home had broken her shoulder.She had dementia and was crying that she didn't want to live anymore.Her daughter was asked by the doctor whether she wanted resuscitating after the operation which might kill her.Her broken-hearted daughter said No. The NHS staff were all wonderful.My friend was discharged yesterday.
I feel for you Brian.

Gulliver

Captain Kong
29th December 2012, 03:44 PM
Many thanks Gentlemen for all your kind thoughts. I guess it is just an on going thing. We are now of an age where the family and friends start to dwindle faster as the years go on.
So amid all the partying there is a lot of sadness behind the scenes.
Cheers
Brian

Tony Morcom
29th December 2012, 04:13 PM
As said, very sad Brian and yet another Christmas tainted by the grim reaper.

Lou Barron
30th December 2012, 12:17 AM
Yes it is always sad when you lose a good friend or a relative so my condolences to those people especially when it is at time when families get together

Roger Dyer
30th December 2012, 06:43 AM
Brian, I am so sorry to learn of the passing of your dear friend and would like to extend my sincere condolences to you and to Derek's family.

As you so rightly point out, many of us have reached that stage in our lives whereby the death of a relative or friend seems to become a more regular occurrence, but that doesn't make it any easier, does it ? That it should happen to both you and John in such tragic circumstances and at Christmastime must have made it even harder to bear.

My thoughts are with you both at this sad time.

................Roger

Captain Kong
30th December 2012, 09:18 AM
Many thanks again gentlemen .
Cheers
Brian.

Glenn Baker
30th December 2012, 09:42 AM
Im not sure how many letters I have either penned or emailed to the Parliament and my Federal representative.
Some of the Questions i ask are very pertinent such as How many Refugee,s are arriving on Planes, not boats, i never get an answer on that one. recently Iasked why we wernt training people to be doctors as there is a World wide shortage of them and we dont want to end up in the same situation as England where people with heart attacks also wait.
I asked him if he would ask the govt to stop giving Aid to countrys that dont do the right thing by it, and we could use it to train yes train our own Australian doctors. i await an answer from both sides of the fence.

Captain Kong
30th December 2012, 09:53 AM
Same problem here Glen, my Pakistani born ****** MP doesnt want to know about anything, spends half her time in Pakistan looking after her family.
Her leader, Ed Milliband also does not want to know, he ignores my reports on his MP.
Why do we vote in Politicians? there has to be a better way to run a country,
Brian.

Glenn Baker
30th December 2012, 10:30 AM
My local Federal Member lives in Swan Hill, he presides over other towns including my own of Dimboola Rainbow and Nhill, there is a sign in each town with a picture of the local Member and it says (Working for You) well the last time i saw him he was holding up the Bar in Dimboola, and he was in for a trip to the UK on his political Agenda,
Nowadays on voting day i simply get my name ticked off and walk out with the voting slip.
i guess that why there getting hung Parliaments. i dont trust either side .

Gordon Turnbull
30th December 2012, 11:58 AM
Condolences to all for their losses. Is there a disproportionate number of deaths at this time of year? My own Mother in Law was cremated on Christmas Eve 3 years ago. Father in law still refuses to celebrate (christmas that is!!!) and will not go out for dinner with his daughters. I received an email yesterday as well, one friend lost his wife, another's had a massive stroke, both on Christmas Day. Sad. Personally I count my blessings every day that I am still here. Also all teh more re
ason that when this Project is handed over in June, GT has had enough and is going to enjoy his money.

j.sabourn
30th December 2012, 12:48 PM
50 years ago during periods in the Cold war, I was approached by a person from the MOD who asked if I would note certain things on my journey to foreign climes. I told him on 2 seperate occassions to get knotted. I was told I was not very patriotic. May I say 50 years on to this slushbag if he is still alive that himself and his masters sitting in the halls of power of the once Great Britain are the most unpatriotic individuals residing in the United Kingdom. Patriotism begins at home, the various individuals who have held these exalted seats of power have let this once great country down time and time again, Charity which is what a lot of British people now have to reside on, begins at home. Let those who live in the Casbahs of the East let their own governments provide for them. The houses of parliament must hold the most unpatriotic people in the country, I have resented for 50 years this mans remarks, proof of his and his masters efforts are there for all to see. Cheers John Sabourn

Captain Kong
30th December 2012, 12:53 PM
enjoy your retirement Gordon.
Cheers
Brian.

Glenn Baker
30th December 2012, 11:53 PM
I will only comment by saying Patriotism is main cover for Kings Queens and Polititions.
i get sickened when the Australian national Antham is played at Race Meetings, Concerts, and the citzen of the year awards, Sporting hero,s too are the target of Patriotism, Govts like to think they have you, yes You under their control.
The National Awards list is a total joke, everyone will have an (Order of Australia Medal) soon Ive never seen so many Hero,s.
Yet the merchant Navy goes forgotten. My how times have changed.

Tom Kirby
31st December 2012, 01:49 PM
I had two operations in the last two years and I am almost 78. I have never heard of an age restriction on operations, I was talking to my son tonight who is a Consultant Hepatologist, Liver diseases and transplants, no discrimination at all only if it does not make any difference to the patients prospects. It depends on the health, heart, lungs and so on, a patient could die on the table, there are a lot of factors involved, So Maggies op was not just for her, anyone who is fit enough for the rigours of an Op can have one.
Cheers
Brian.
Sorry Brian but what you say is not true. Many people on Radio Merseyside have mentioned this, and I too have been told by my G.P. If I need an operation, get it done before I am aged 70
It definitely is not a level playing field. I understand what you are saying but perhaps your information is not up to date.:cool:

Jim Brady
31st December 2012, 01:54 PM
Tom,have you not heard of the Post Code Lottery.People are on the Liverpool Care Pathway without their knowledge,to old for further treatment!!!
Regards.
Jim.B.

Tom Kirby
31st December 2012, 02:12 PM
Tom,have you not heard of the Post Code Lottery.People are on the Liverpool Care Pathway without their knowledge,to old for further treatment!!!
Regards.
Jim.B.

Yes Jim I am aware of this, but that applies to people already actually dying in hospital. But if your illness is not life threatening and your quality of life could be made better by a not too invasive operation, it should be available. Cheers to you and Ken Kenny.

Captain Kong
31st December 2012, 02:12 PM
Hi Tom,
My information is up to date, I asked my son, a Consultant Surgeon, on Boxing day, he does liver transplants , BIG OP, and many other internal Operations, So he is the man who does it, maybe No one has told him Not to operate on 70 + year olds.
Only last week just before Christmas he operated on the bowells of a lady who was 80 years old. I had mentioned this to him. His reply was the same as the Surgeon I use, He is based 300 miles from me otherwise I would go to his hospital, He used to be at Liverpool Royal Hospital many years ago.
I was told by my Surgeon here in Bolton, he explained that the older you get the severity of Intrusive Surgery can be quite dramatic in elderly patients.
The Big problem is Anaesthetic, Can the heart and lungs take it.?? Bleeding , in old people that is another big problem, they bleed a lot easier and it is more difficult to control than in younger people. and Shock, the body goes into shock when it is cut open so there could be a risk of heart attack. , so there you have it. If it is not life threatening then dont have it, Many Patients have died during an operation due to these risk factors.
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I had an operation with full anaesthetic last June when I had to get an Ambulance one midnight as I say I am pushing 78 next birthday. The risks were pointed out to me before the operation, I said go ahead, I had confidence in my general fitness. I was due to have an operation on my knee that I had injured last January on Queen Mary, in November, previously the surgeon had suggested physio first, so I did that for six months and at the time of the planned surgery I saw him and he said I didnt need an operation, Arthroscopy, So the leg is nw better.
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So all in all it is the general fitness of the Patient, They will not operate if the Risk is too great. they do not like to kill patients, but to keep them alive as long as possible.
IT IS NOTHING TO DO WITH POLITICS,
Cheers
Brian.

Captain Kong
31st December 2012, 03:28 PM
I have heard that Liverpool has a "PATHWAY to death ", where an elderly patient is denied treatment and sustenance.
That must just be a custom in the Liverpool Royal, that is wrong. Is it Legal ? I would ask.
Why have the Management come up with this daft and leathal idea, why does the Nursing and Surgical Staff allow it.?
Has this decision been taken to Court??
This is a National Health Service, Not a Regional Health Service, also if it is about money, it is the elderly who have contributed the most into it, paying all their lives into the system.
If I can have an operation here 35 miles away then why not in Liverpool.?
The People of Liverpool should be up in arms about this decision. Get the Hospital to do what hospitals do, treat Patients and make them better or if too far gone in health make them comfortable with all the appropiate treatment. Nothing should be denied.
Cheers
Brian.

John Pruden
31st December 2012, 03:32 PM
Jim we in Liverpool are one of only a few that give the clot busting injection for the first sign of a stroke many parts of the country don't because of cost its about £800.00 a shot but it saved me i still have many side effects from the stroke but without it i would have had no chance the clot had burst in my heart giving me a heart attack and the rest went to the brain giving me a stroke in the one go. i used to attend the stroke clinics and some of the younger victims would never get out of a bed again the sooner they give you the shot the more chance you have. i would recommend that every member here get themselves a blood pressure machine they don't cost much from any good chemist and check you own every day don't leave it till its to late{i did}.jp

Captain Kong
31st December 2012, 05:22 PM
Hi John
My blood pressure is monitored every month, and I take the relevent tablets daily to control the blood pressure.
High blood pressure can lead to Heart attack and strokes and is one of the biggest Killers today.
I have stopped smoking, reduced the alcohol intake to a minimum and do exercises, I have just had 30 minutes on my excercise Bike and lifting my dumb bells, with a Bendy bar excersise as well.
I have just had a full medical two weeks ago, the blood tests had very good results, Kydney function tests, Liver function tests, PSA test and a lung function test.
Everything works and no leaks. At this age you have to keep on top of it.
Keep it up. Lets hope we are all still here next year.
Cheers
Brian.

Captain Kong
31st December 2012, 05:34 PM
A problem with the new system today for Doctors, [ GPs] is they now have full control of their budgets. to operate their practice. In the old days a Doctor sent you to hospital for an Xray or scan, No problem.

The way it now works is, if your GP sends you to the Hospital he has to pay the Hospital.
You have been a smoker, for example, you have been coughing badly, so you want a Scan or Xray of your chest. You see a Consultant at the hospital , he gives you a Scan or Xray, he then sends your Doctor, GP a bill for the costs involved for the Xray or Scan and for his time. The GPs Surgery then has to pay the Consultant out of his budget.
Now sometimes you may ask your Doctor, GP can you have a certain treatment and your GP will tell you that you dont need it, just have some of these pills take it easy and you`ll be alright.
Now some of the Drug companies offer Doctors incentives if they prescribe their products, so you could even get a medication that is not as good as some other company`s medication, but your GP wants a free holiday to the Bahamas, So that also goes on.
Treatment today is still a gamble.
Have a nice day
Brian.

John Pruden
31st December 2012, 06:14 PM
Brian my doctors are very good every 6 weeks blood tests stroke clinic the physio had to stop due to the spinal tumor and splinters in the spinal canal but apart from that i still hope to be taking the urine out of members for a long time to come:pjp

Jim Brady
31st December 2012, 08:26 PM
UP to 60.000 patients per year die on the controversial Liverpool Care Pathway without giving their consent.Critics say the care regime,in which medics deny dying hostpital patients food and water,is an attempt to cut costs and free up beds.And many families are said not to have given consent either.So all you old guys BE AFRAID BE VERY AFRAID as this system is going to be rolled out across the country.the argument from the NHS is that lots of old people dont want to die with tubes going in and out of their body.they want to die in a dignified way
Regards.
jim.B.
log on to the site Liverpool Care Pathway and see what you think.

Captain Kong
31st December 2012, 09:10 PM
I am sure that could be illegal, it is euthanasia by a different name. every one has the right to be cared for and not starved and dehydrated to death.
How bad does one have to be to be to be put onto This Liverpool Pathway? or indeed how old?
It sounds like something from Natzi Death Camp.
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I`ll come back to it. just off next door for a bevy,
Cheers
Brian.
Liverpool Care Pathway for the Dying Patient (LCP)About the LCP
The LCP is an integrated care pathway that is used at the bedside to drive up sustained quality of the dying in the last hours and days of life.

It is a means to transfer the best quality for care of the dying from the hospice movement into other clinical areas, so that wherever the person is dying there can be an equitable model of care.

The LCP has been implemented into hospitals, care homes, in the individuals own home / community and into the hospice.

The LCP is not the answer to all our needs for care of the dying but is a step in the right direction.

It is recommended as a best practice model, most recently, by the Department of Health in the UK.

"The LCP affirms the vision of transferring the model of excellence for care of the dying from hospice care into other healthcare settings. We have demonstrated a process that inspires, motivates and truly empowers the generic workforce in caring for the patient and their family in the last hours or days of life."
Deborah Murphy, National Lead Nurse-LCP, Associate Director MCPCIL

Jim Brady
31st December 2012, 09:22 PM
Brian,people ar being put on it without agreement from the patient or the family.what it amounts to you are past your sell by date"So it's good night Vienna"
Regards.
Jim.B.

John Pruden
31st December 2012, 09:40 PM
its been going on for years terminal cancer patients and dia morphine there is a spring loaded tube on a drip for many its a blessing when my father in law was dieing i asked the doctor to load the needle and i would give it to him. if you seen a dog that way you would have put him down he denide my request.jp

Bill Bland
31st December 2012, 09:42 PM
Brian my doctors are very good every 6 weeks blood tests stroke clinic the physio had to stop due to the spinal tumor and splinters in the spinal canal but apart from that i still hope to be taking the urine out of members for a long time to come:pjp

Allways remember on thing, every morning one throws their legs over the side of the bed and can stand up on their feet its a bonus.Give them hell lads to the bitter end. Happy New Year. bill bland.

Jim Brady
31st December 2012, 09:56 PM
its been going on for years terminal cancer patients and dia morphine there is a spring loaded tube on a drip for many its a blessing when my father in law was dieing i asked the doctor to load the needle and i would give it to him. if you seen a dog that way you would have put him down he denide my request.jp

Quite right John but then you get people like Harold Shipman bumping people off which was murder, so what do we call medics who deny food and water to people who are ill ? Nobody in my eyes has the right not to treat a person to the end,withdrawing food and water from an ill patient is wrong the patient will eventually decide that they cannot eat or drink anymore.
Regards.
Jim.B

Ron Kendall
31st December 2012, 10:04 PM
My late Wife was taken into the West Cumberland Hospital in Whitehaven just over 8 years ago, supposedly to have her medication sorted out, as she was on all sorts of drugs etc for lung cancer. This was with the local mcmillan nurses approval, she was not given any treatment for a week, and then transferred into a single room, where she had seen 2 men go into, and being taken out in a covered stretcher, she was told she had to go in there, despite saying if you go in there you die. The local Padre called it later "the dying room", When my youngest Son asked how is Mother was doing he was told "she did come in to die, better get used to it", I only found this out much later,so much for the care we were assured would be first class, as all the Nurses had been chosen specially! within a few days, they managed to overdose her, put her on a morphine pump despite her not wanting it,she then had a stroke, and died soon afterwards. If this isn't euthanasia, I wonder what is.She was 64 then, andhad not long been retired after managing sheltered accomodation for 12 years. Needless to say, I do not support Mcmillan any more, (she used to raise £hundreds with the yearly coffee mornings), But the same Hospital saved me 4 years ago, and also did the double camera jobbie in November on me,so I have not complained at all, although I am tempted at times!Sorry about the rambling, but it was either this or argue with the Parrot, again! Happy New Year to all, Ron

John Pruden
31st December 2012, 10:10 PM
no jim it's very wrong to starve people to death i know the way my own mother died in a hospital they made one all mighty cock up she went in for the camera she was denied food then the camera was put back for a few days she was just fed a laxative 10 days later she had the camera and never came out of the anesthetic because she was to weak and the real kick in the stones the camera gave the all clear she did not need it in the first place but what can you do a doctor always bury his mistakes.jp

Lou Barron
31st December 2012, 11:33 PM
My deepest sympathy to you people who have lost there loved ones it is hard to take
without boasting i have seen a lot of people die during the war and in the pow camp but when it is someone you love it is a very hard pill to swallow

Kenneth Kenny
31st December 2012, 11:50 PM
Happy New Year to all the Crew on the Merchant Navy Site,Tony and All His Crew For A Great Web Site.Tom Kirby Jim Brady Charlie Hannah,and Good Story Teller.Brian(Captain Kong)Take Care All You Great Crew.Ken.

Ivan Cloherty
1st January 2013, 10:35 AM
"she did come in to die, better get used to it", I only found this out much later,so much for the care we were assured would be first class, as all the Nurses had been chosen specially! within a few days, they managed to overdose her, put her on a morphine pump despite her not wanting it,she then had a stroke, and died soon afterwards. If this isn't euthanasia, I wonder what is.She was 64 then, andhad not long been retired after managing sheltered accomodation for 12 years. Needless to say, I do not support Mcmillan any more,

Ron, I know where you are coming from, when my wife went into McMillans aged 50, I didn't find them sympathetic at all. On one occasion when they didn't realise I was there, one remarked to the other 'I wish she would hurry up and go, we need the bed' next day I found all kinds of tubes sticking out of her, next day they got their bed. I have never supported them since hearing that remark, nor will I ever, so much for caring nursing. Cannot recall anyone I know who went into McMillans walking out again. I know I may be doing some of the nurses a dis-service but can only speak from personal experience and have learnt that I am not alone in my experience of their 'Care'

Lifeboats get my money when there is some to spare, at least they try to save lives.

vic mcclymont
1st January 2013, 06:20 PM
No one in this county should go hungry, benefits are paid to ensure that the receipents can survive.
In todays paper a women has 10 kids, she can't wont work, her hubby hasn't worked for twenty years, they get £50,000 in benefits,of which £20,000 is in housing benefits.
Her house isn't big enough, so she moans wants council to move her.
And by the way the family has two cars and all the latest gadgets.
Her and her husband would each have to earn between them £72,000 to maintain their lifestyle.
THEY DON'T PAY TAX.
A couple working with a family earning over £40,000 paying taxes are set to lose family allowance and increased taxes.
Now can anyone argue that the system is perfect?
vic

Captain Kong
1st January 2013, 07:05 PM
They should pay TAX on Benefits,
I have to Pay Tax on my miserable Pension, a Pension I bought with my own money and they tax me on it.
The guy next door, `****`, a ******, gets loads of money more than I do and all Tax Free. He has never worked since the day he arrived in this country and drives a new Mercedes, his wife has a Toyota.
and when I asked him if I was going to get a Christmas Card off him he went mad. Tight git.
Cheers
Brian.

vic mcclymont
1st January 2013, 08:28 PM
They should pay TAX on Benefits,
I have to Pay Tax on my miserable Pension, a Pension I bought with my own money and they tax me on it.
The guy next door, `****`, a ******, gets loads of money more than I do and all Tax Free. He has never worked since the day he arrived in this country and drives a new Mercedes, his wife has a Toyota.
and when I asked him if I was going to get a Christmas Card off him he went mad. Tight git.
Cheers
Brian.
Brian, couldn't agree more with you, I received my state pension a few months ago, and lo and behold I pay bloody tax on it, WHY?
Yet people on benefits don't pay tax, WHY?
Enter this country from abroad, we throw money at you, WHY?
Leave this country to live abroad, and we pay meagre pensions to them, WHY?
Vic

John Pruden
1st January 2013, 09:44 PM
Vic after a long drawn out battle trying to get pension credits i ask the man on the other end of the call just give me to same as if i had just fell of a wagon in Dover ? he told me it would be in the bank within 3 hours moving from site to site you are never in one firm long enough to start a pension you were told Monday you would be finishing on Friday and you never knew where the next firm or site you would go to next even what part of the country that was the building trade.jp