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Calvin Kent
16th October 2012, 07:02 PM
I keep hearing the odd piece about these elections so having done a quick google I fetched up at the site where you can compare candidates for your region. Nominations close on the 19th October so I cannot understand how it has arrived at this late stage with so little fanfare

It would appear there are six candidates for my region two of whom are not interested enough to fill in their particulars. Hardly surprising as the position only pays between 85k per annum. Anyway, that takes away the conservative candidate and one indepedent. The other independent appears to be a professional student with little experience of the real world, the labour guy is a barrister so disqualifies himself under the old cronies act and the liberal democrat is a magistrate so probably not even on the same planet as the rest of us. The UKIP chappie says he has absolutely no experience whatsoever of the criminal justice system so it looks like I shall have to go with him.

Regards

Calvin

Captain Kong
16th October 2012, 07:31 PM
I heard that our John Prescott was after the job in Hull. 85 grand on top of his MP Pension plus another Pension on top of that when he retires from this new Job.
I guess he needs all that money to keep him in meat and pototo pies.
Brian.

Jim Brady
16th October 2012, 08:12 PM
I keep seeing this advert on the TV regarding elections for the position of what I believe is a Police Commissioner,who the candidates are and how the vote is to be carried out I have'nt a clue.I cannot understand why we need to appoint somebody without a police background is beyond me what is wrong with the present situation where we have a Chief Constable who has come through the ranks and knows the job from Ato Z.The money to pay this person will most probably come from the money that they are about to rob from OAP's and other less fortunate people.!!!!!
Regards.
Jim.B.

Calvin Kent
16th October 2012, 08:29 PM
I am unsure of the actual job description for this post but think having someone at the top who is not involved at an operational level nor in bed with the constabulary can only be a good thing. Hopefully cover-ups such as Hillsborough will be a thing of the past. The pay scale seems to be bordering on the obscene as no doubt they will also be padded by a very comfortable expense allowance. The question is "How long they can remain independent and keep their noses out of the trough". Assuming that is they haven't already got said head in trough.

Regards
Calvin

happy daze john in oz
17th October 2012, 05:42 AM
I find this a bit odd as here in Oz the cheif of police comes from the police ranks. Each state has a police minister in the government so do not quite undestand what this one is about!

Jim Brady
17th October 2012, 07:55 AM
I find this a bit odd as here in Oz the cheif of police comes from the police ranks. Each state has a police minister in the government so do not quite undestand what this one is about!

Not many people here know what its about John.It looks like each police force will have one i.e. Merseyside Police,I notice that London will not be having a vote for one I wonder if this means that Boris Johnson the mayor is in charge there.Did we not have what was called a Watch Committee at one time,these were local councillors who got an extra few bob for the different committees that they sat on.Many commentators think that due to voter apathy,a lack of understanding what the role entails will result in a turn out of of around 15%.What amuses me is the money that has been cut back from the police has resulted in many job losses both back office and the bobby on the beat the salary to this person could pay for three bobbys on the beat thats where we need to spend the money,what this commissioner will contribute to keep us safe on the streets I dont know.
Regards.
Jim.B.

Tony Morcom
17th October 2012, 08:28 AM
I agree Jim. Seems to be very hush, hush except for a few tv ads. I have seen absolutely nothing about who we are supposed to vote for or why we should vote for them. I think at current rate they will be very lucky to get a 15% turn out. Consequently the whole thing will be a complete farce which is so unusual for the present government!!

Louis the Amigo
17th October 2012, 08:31 AM
Hi Shipmates, As you allready know part of the rates or { councill tax} is payed to the police, this new local police and crime system is in the future to take the police bill off the council tax, and make it a form of local tax on business and house-holders every one will pay extra .The real police will only do they job,{ crime } no form of crowd control or street patrols or parking tickets all local police work this will be done by others {see website} allmost anyone can join and help out, very low pay this will be the new form that the police force will take. The vote is to make everyone aware that you are now in charge of your area not the council or government and its up to us to support this system, as the police force numbers are beening cut everywhere due to cuts and increase costs in Cardiff we had 5 main police stations ? now we have two , and 6 locals now 4 only not open full time if you need to see a policeman urgent best of luck ??? this is the cheap new way?{ The Tough on crime conservative mandate} the small time crooks will have a easy time in the future with no one with the power to stop or arrest them.

John Albert Evans
17th October 2012, 09:33 AM
Id like to be told the real reason why we need a Police Commissioner.
Is it a purely Political Position or an Operational One. I do not know.
My own opinion is that The PM is copyinmg the idea from the USA and that he will have a 'Yes Man' in place.
Speaking as a retired Police Officer I see no useful purpose that will be served by the person elected but ,and mark my words, just watch the costs escalate. From day one he will want/need a deputy, two or maybe three assistant rank personal. All of which will, have a secretary and a PA, an office for each of them which do doubt will be in a new building with all the ancillary paraphinallia that goes with it in order for it to function.
Now that our Overseas Aid is higher than the entire Police Budget as a whole, will the position be offered to foreign nationals.
I live in Powys and have no idea who is being considered for the post with the exception of the conservative candidate who is I believe a retired army person. The reason I know that is that he placed a small advert on line that he is freely available to visit any meeting, fete or other occasion to discuss the post.

John Albert Evans

Calvin Kent
17th October 2012, 11:29 AM
Just put in your postcode and it will tell you who the candidates are in your area.

Your Candidate Guide for the Police & Crime Commissioner Elections 2012 - PoliceElections.com (http://www.policeelections.com/)

If any of you feel like running you've still got a couple of days to get your application in!

Regards
Calvin

Jim Brady
17th October 2012, 11:56 AM
Just reading what the role of the Police and Crime Commissioners aims are.Part of it is to reduce crime in the area what do they intend doing going out on the beat as some Robo Cop.I find that an insult to the Chief Constable,I would hope that the Chf/Cons priorities are todo just that and if the crime rate goes up in his area he be replaced.
Regards.
Jim.B.

Captain Kong
17th October 2012, 01:03 PM
THIS IS.......Role of PCCs

The Police and Crime Commissioner will be responsible for holding the Chief Constable and police force to account on the public's behalf. The Police and Crime Commissioner will oversee how crime is tackled in their area and aim to make sure the police are providing a good service.

The Police and Crime Commissioner role includes:

meeting the public regularly to listen to their views on policing producing a police and crime plan setting out local policing priorities deciding how the budget will be spent appointing Chief Constables and dismissing them if needed.
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Police and Crime Commissioner elections
On Thursday 15 November 2012 new elections are taking place in England and Wales (excluding London).

On this date you will be asked to choose a Police and Crime Commissioner for your local police force.

John Pruden
17th October 2012, 02:37 PM
if you ask the general public 9 out of 10 would tell you more cops on the streets heavier sentences for criminals deport foreign criminals after sentence why do we need someone to tell chief constables what to do that's there bloody job in the first place!!!!! another waste of tax payers dosh?jp

Ivan Cloherty
17th October 2012, 04:09 PM
An ideal candidate has appeared on the scene today, a policeman tasered a 61 year old blind man today when the officer mistook his white stick for a sword, so we need look no further our future is safe in his hands

John Pruden
17th October 2012, 04:25 PM
ivan just reading that on sky i think the cop should have the white stick? what if he had a pacemaker fitted it could have killed him.jp

Chris Allman
17th October 2012, 06:26 PM
I think this is a ploy by the politicians to get total control of the Police. The Police will then become a political football, doing things on the whim of whichever political party the commissioner belongs to. Their political impartiality will be gone forever and they will just be a tool of jumped up politicians who are not bothered to break the law themselves when they want to, expenses etc etc :mad:

Calvin Kent
17th October 2012, 07:13 PM
Unfortunately every time the police are in the news these days it's because they've been caught out in one thing or another so perhaps there is a need for an independent person with a hands-on role so cock-ups and similar can get sorted quickly rather than dragging on until there is a public enquiry or whatever. Time after time police are called to give evidence and it doesn't stand up to scrutiny or their version of events is totally at odds with witnesses. Whether a commissioner is the answer I have no idea. It is always going to be a political position as very few have the electoral clout to win without a strong group behind them. The exception being some type of celebrity in another field but I'm sure you wouldn't fancy the likes of Mr Saville running round in a police car. Scary.

I must hold my hands up to being a little anti-police at the moment but that is due to my driving a van and being silly enough to want to be out after 2000hrs without being continually stopped for some non-existent reason so they can check if I am a builder who's stopped off in the pub for a few hours on the way home.

Regards
Calvin

Captain Kong
17th October 2012, 07:19 PM
I have just seen the man who was Tazered on TV News
An old man with a white walking stick, The Blind Policeman thought he had a Samurai Sword. Nothing like one. The Policeman should have been Tazered to wake him up and take notice.
I am glad most of our Policemen are not armed or the death toll would be terrible./ A few years ago a man was walikng home from a timber shop with a repaired table leg. The Police ran up and shot him dead. Thought he had a gun.
They should all have eye tests before they are allowed to walk the streets.
Where do they recruit these police from , the Taliban??

John Pruden
17th October 2012, 07:55 PM
i have had many a late night run in with the police taking lads all over the country playing football it would often be after midnight when still with a car full to drop of at their homes and then the dreaded blue light i would pull over the police man would get out and then start swearing at the passenger side get out of the f.....g car now then comes the good part i get out of the drivers side and the cop just melts!!!!! first i ask who do you think you are why have we been pulled over all in my best voice sorry i saw a gang of lads with baseball caps in the car??? is it against the law to wear a baseball cap? totally lost for words he would try to think of something to change the subject then he would go over the car i would say are you looking for something to cover you puling me over!!!! then the killer i think we should have an inspector here to apologise to the lads for the approach and inflammatory language you used on my passengers that dos the trick the cop would wash the car if i asked just to get himself out of the s...e this has happened many times over the years in many parts of the country.jp

vic mcclymont
17th October 2012, 08:13 PM
The council rates as it stands at the moment is levied on Businesses/ householders etc. with precept for the police and Fire Brigade. So we pay seperately for the police at the moment.

John Pruden
17th October 2012, 08:17 PM
lets face it the streets are not safe anymore i am lucky everybody knows me in our area and it helps to have four big strapping sons with good manners but short tempers?:pjp

Calvin Kent
17th October 2012, 08:38 PM
I had a farmer friend years ago and I'd gone to his farm to do a bit of lamping. I'd finished up and was putting the rabbits in my van when he turned up back from the pub just after closing. He drove his landie straight into the main barn followed by a police car on sidelights. He put his landie into reverse and demolished the front of the panda. He got out and calmly walked back to two very bemused police and asked "What you boys doing in my barn?" He was a teetoller and only used the pub for the social. He was well aware the police had tailed him. He was also well aware there was a four inch box section welded on the back of his landie in lieu of a bumper, after all, he'd welded it on! He laughed so hard after they'd gone I thought he'd have a stroke.

Regards
Calvin

happy daze john in oz
18th October 2012, 05:22 AM
An ideal candidate has appeared on the scene today..

Saw that on Oz tv today. All I can say is the wrong man had the white stick.
Maybe he should have gone to specksavers.

happy daze john in oz
18th October 2012, 05:25 AM
I think this is a ploy by the politicians to get total control of the Police...

You may well be correct on that one. With the last state gov, a Labour one, we had a feamle police commissioner installed as part of the gov's equal gender policy. She was worse than useless and retired under some dubious circumstances.

John Pruden
18th October 2012, 08:01 AM
the troops are heading for parliament today over cuts{ lets hope they are armed} its a pity that scumbag who killed the paper seller can't be there??JP

Louis the Amigo
18th October 2012, 08:27 AM
Hi Shipmates, We will soon have a private police force payed for by working house-holders and local business people. This will work as the petty criminals wont robb or mug anyone if they are people who can stop them with force . { Tazzer are cheap and easy to get hold of} But what will happen is the low lives will prey on the easyer targets with no rent a cop to stop them ? But with the new law you can now protect your property? so every one should have a home defence plan with weapons to use just in case.

Jim Brady
22nd October 2012, 03:54 PM
Many of you like me may have had a leaflet through your door telling you of the election for the Police Commissioner.I notice at the bottom of page 2 it says,appointing Chief Constables and dismissing them if needed.I would like to draw your attention to the fact that a committee appointed Norman Bettison to the position of Chf/Con.of Merseyside WHAT A NO BRAINER a couple of councilors on that committee resigned rather than vote for him.
Norman Bettison now Chf/Con in Yorkshire wants to resign early before the shlt hits the fan over Hillsborough,I say leave the job of the police to the police and not some jumped up councilors who are fulll of their own importance to make decisions on our behalf.
Regards.
Jim.B.

Captain Kong
22nd October 2012, 04:07 PM
If I voted for the Police, I would end up with the Bengal Lancers charging round town.
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I have shredded my white voting card. I looked at the list for me and all blank faces with no CV
so what is the point of it all.
I cannot complain as I guess it is what they call democracy. [ what ever that is.]
Brian

Captain Kong
22nd October 2012, 04:12 PM
the troops are heading for parliament today over cuts{ lets hope they are armed} its a pity that scumbag who killed the paper seller can't be there??JP
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The soldiers went to Parliament and in the public gallery.
ROBATHOM, MP and Minister for Armed Forces tried to have them Removed from the building.
I guess he was execising his Democratic Right to tell lies without being heard.
Brian
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. P.S. the same man who has been denying the Arctic Convoy survivors to recieve the Russian Medals.

Calvin Kent
22nd October 2012, 06:00 PM
I wish we could leave the job of the police to the police but with endemic corruption within the force there needs to be some sort of independent arbiter of their accountability.

Regards
Calvin

happy daze john in oz
23rd October 2012, 05:26 AM
I liked the Police at one time but went off them when Sting went solo.

John Pruden
23rd October 2012, 06:42 AM
i thought the government were deploying cut and slash to all departments so why start this up we can't afford to have more troughs and snouts? how can an ordinary person over rule a chief constable he has been doing the job for years that's what he is paid for?jp

happy daze john in oz
24th October 2012, 06:02 AM
Slightly off subject but an example of how some people think. There is a plan for a second casino in Sydney, almost approved. A member of the anti gambling brigade, a clergyman, says it must be stopped as there are too many problem gamblers. He then went on to say, it is the governmenst responsibility to make sure these people with gambling problems are helped, it is a gov responsibilty to look after these people.
Maybe I am a bit off the mark here but I thought we were all responsible for our actions and nothing to do with the gov. Too many take the easy way out and blame the gov for every thing from the weather to the price of drugs!

Louis the Amigo
24th October 2012, 06:56 AM
Hi shipmates, I had my posted vote card today, How much extra will this new police boss cost me? and what areas' will have any real police? or will every where be rent a cop?{Happy john in oz} The last government Labour wanted super casinos' in every major city in the U.K. with free drinks /food for punters and top class entertiment for all , This would have brought many new jobs but this was stopped , WHY because the social cost would have been far worst then any benifits !!! they think tank worked it out debt and crime , vice and family breakdown would have gone up by 200% + in any area the same as the U.S.A. The result no super casinos or jobs because many people in the U.K. cant control themselfs and need help .