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Rodney Mills
27th May 2012, 09:05 PM
Quite a few recent posts have alluded to the possability of a foreign born being elected as Prime Minister of the U.K.. Voted in by a combination of a foreign born and descendants of an immigrant electorate/party delegates [?].

In the U.S.A. foreign born naturalized citizens (like me) are denied the office of President and Vice-President, by the U.S. Constitution (Art. 2 Sec. 1 [natural born citizen]).

Office... Position... Min. age... U.S. Residency Requirements... Citizenship Status.
Presidency... President... 35... 14 years... U.S. Born citizen.
Vice-Presidency... Vice-President... 35... 14... U.S. Born citizen.
House of Representatives... Congressperson... 25... 7... U.S. Born/Naturalized.
Senate... Senator... 30... 7... U.S. Born/Naturalized.

There is a Constitutional line of succession (Amendment xx). President - Vice-President - Speaker of the House - President of the Senate - Secretary of State, followed by 9 other Secretaries of Departments in a prescribed order.
I mention this as Dr. Henry Kissinger was Secretary of State under both Pres. Nixon and Pres. Ford-- and a W.W. ll U.S. Army veteran (Srgt)-- but as a naturalized citizen; born in Germany, he could never become President, and in this instance would be disallowed.

I would be interested in information of a similar nature from: U.K., Australia, N.Z., Canada, etc.. I.e., are foreign born nationals prohibited from high office? If so, is it by a constitution or statute? What type of ELECTIVE office CAN a foreign born national hold (versus appointed, such as Chief Swine Processor etc.).

By the tone of past posts, no emigrant to the U.K. could be elected Dog Catcher let alone Prime Minister. The fear seems to be that the indigenous Briton will be reduced to the status of a minority, similar to today's North American Inuit and Indian; Australia's Aborigines, N.Z' Maoris etc.. Or is it xenophobia?

Cheers, Rodney

P.S. Barak Obama born Hawaii, U.S.A. (not Kenya).
Mitt Romney born Michigan, U.S.A.

Keith at Tregenna
27th May 2012, 09:21 PM
A bit like Aunty Julia in OZ ?

LINK: http://www.merchant-navy.net/forum/pig-whistle-members-only/14887-immigrants-not-australians-must-adapt.html

Possibly a 10 Pom, but they will have to pay Wales much more to send her home ?


Rodney Mills
28th May 2012, 01:27 AM
I posted this thread, Re. British P.M. yesterday May 27th, at 9:05pm London DST. I checked at 1:50am London DST and I am off the new posts and posted only at the forum trivia site. This has happened to my last dozen or so post. I started posting sea tales on my thread "Lucky for some..." and picked up I was only on the new post, on what I call the front page, for sometimes less than an hour. I mentioned this to Jim Brady a year ago but I guess I didn't make myself clear. The same happened with my post " health addict", I mentioned it in my post that "hello, I sailed on the good ship Lollypop, does anybody remember me?" stays as a new posts forever. Now, after my rant, a question for the powers that be...Are you censoring my threads? Because if my posts do not jibe with your agenda please tell me. I enjoy writing but if I've p...ed somebody off let me know, I do have other things to do with my time. Last rant, Not too long a go Shipmate Rowger in Oz, Louis, Captain Kong and others regaled us with life happenings at sea and ashore, it was good reading, many thought so too, you could see by the hits and responses...it seems the tales have stopped.

A not very happy Rodney

Tony Morcom
28th May 2012, 02:54 AM
Hi Rodney

This link shows all of you recent posts as taken direct from the stats: http://www.merchant-navy.net/forum/search.php?searchid=179282

happy daze john in oz
28th May 2012, 06:11 AM
Well Rodney the situation here in Oz is that anyone who is an Autralian citezen can become PM. To become a citezen if not born here you must be resident for three years. Problem with thta is we get right Richard Craniums such as the present PM.
And believe me she is about as much use as the proverbials on a bull.

Rodney Mills
28th May 2012, 02:01 PM

I've logged-in and cannot access your link.

Thank you, Rodney

Tony Morcom
28th May 2012, 03:42 PM
Try this Rodney http://www.merchant-navy.net/forum/search.php?searchid=180489

Rodney Mills
30th May 2012, 12:19 AM

I understand the Australian P.M. is an immigrant from Wales, therefor, English is not a problem. Under Oz law then, theoretically a non-speaking English person who, after three years can becomes a citizen, and could run for elected office. Once gain, theoretically, he or she becomes P.M.. Are there linguistic standards in Oz for (a) becoming a citizen, (b) being an elected official? In the U.S. one must satisfy a Dept. of Emmigration official as to English proficiency, and knowledge of civic resposibility, i.e. Government, voting, U.S. history etc.. The waiting period is, I believe, 6 years and takes another year for filing time and citizenship classes.

Cheers, Rodney

happy daze john in oz
30th May 2012, 06:37 AM
Under our migration act you must pass certian levels to get in, unless of course you come in a leaky boat. One is command of English, however it would appear the officials who are supposed to check on these things must have little understanding of English them selves. The number here who cannot, or will not learn to speak english is alarming. It does not however change the fact that the Welsh, and I have no general beef with them, sent us the current PM who is worse than useless, slowly attempting to turn the country into a socialist wasteland.

30th May 2012, 06:44 AM
I just had a hospital letter with thitrteen transklations on the rear , they were Polish , Urdu , Farsi ( Iranian ) Arabic , Somali , Hindi , portugeuse etc , None were French , German , Italian . These translations , with the exeption of Poland were all third world countries , when will we make the use of English compulsary , I know it might upset a few , but why do we waste money on dual language signs in Wales , where people can all ( I hope ) speak English . We pander too much to minorities .

Captain Kong
30th May 2012, 09:01 AM
Hi Rob,
I have had many of those and always send them back with a Note of Protest, both for Medical and Town Council. Saying if they cannot speak English then they should not get the , treatment, the Vote etc.
Never had any response yet. No doubt my name will be on a List somewhere.

31st May 2012, 06:45 AM
Just a thought Brian , If we can pander to the local minority groups , why cannot we have our own native dialects included , a letter that starts ,

Way Eye lads , yev gorra point mint a t'ospital , and yeberra get doon fa too a clok

, Why not , it is as useful to me as the Somali translation . We give in too easily , we need to say , you want to live here you learn our language , you want to eat here then eat humanely killed meat , unfortunatly as NZ lamb is Halal as in much Brazillian beef we are having the minority view imposed on us . I prefer the animal stunned before it is drained of blood . But the meat served in most institutions , frozen NZ and South American is Halal , check the labels in the kitchens , then you will get a surprise . You want to live in this Christian country , then one wife , who wants to marry you , not a choice of your parents so they can import another cousin , I understand that in certain places in this country there are genetic problems due to a high incident of cousins marrying . It is much rarer amongst us locals . You want to buy at my corner shop , then show your face , dont hide it in a mask , if I go into the shop wearing a ski mask , I think they will call the police . Hey and stop calling us racists , if you are Black , hanging around street corners smoking weed , and kicking a can , the police have stopped you because you look suspicious , not because you are Black . How many Black and Asian Doctors get pulled over in their BMWs because they are black , I would guess no more than any other BMW drivers caught speeding .

I would make the Immigrants swear alligience the cron , speak english , and live how we all ( That is us in the still racially average mixed areas ) live