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Jim Brady
27th May 2012, 06:45 PM
Is there any good tree surgeons on here.I have people living behind me with a massive sycamore tree about 40 ft high.They are not interested in discussiing the matter and have no intention of having it cut down.the tree is now begining to encroach on my property above ground so what the roots are doing below ground I dont know,this will definitely undermine the foundations of my house.The government brought in a law against Leylandii but nothing about trees other than that,the other day I phoned the council and I was informed that it was a civil matter,so in otherwords I would have to employ a Solicitor.I have seen cases like this in the past and once the action is started you are compelled to carry on with it and people have lost their homes in legal fees and still not won the case.I will have no compunction what so ever in drilling this tree and injecting something into it that will kill it off so any ideas will be greatfully welcomed.

Tony Morcom
27th May 2012, 07:37 PM
Might be worth talking to the C.A.B Jim, or if your House Insurance carries Legal Assistance that too could be a good course of preliminary action.

Kenneth Kenny
27th May 2012, 08:28 PM
Hi Jim,phone your insurance,tell them about the problem you are in,and they should help you.i'am still in the union for life and they willhelp me with any trouble with neighbours.From Ken

Jim Brady
27th May 2012, 08:44 PM
Thanks for that info Ken,do you know what I have never thought about using my insurance for legal matters(not that I've realy had any) but it is there in the policy.I'm off on Saturday to my sons place in Croatia for a couple of weeks so I'l have a go at that when I come home.

Louis the Amigo
27th May 2012, 09:03 PM
hi shipmates hi JIM I had one out my garden grew to over 70 ft =over 20 years lovely shade in the summer but a pain in the winter in high winds? could have caused loads of damage to other houses a few are owned by money hungry buy to let landlords, and they would take me to the cleaners if my tree did any damage to they property, so I had it cut down no choice? cost me 750 good job with little damage or mess now that its gone, we have more light in the house and no worries about high winds. I was in luck no preservation order on tree, dont cut down any tree in the U.K. with one or you will be sorry{ fine 5000 min + costs'} I was lucky could get rid of the tree without any legal probelms from the council or any of the penny grabbing buy to let land-lord s I saved myself money in the longterm but miss the tree.

Keith at Tregenna
27th May 2012, 09:11 PM
Have a huge Eucalyptus tree in our garden, only allowed to crop off approx 3 foot a year.

Will export:

Anyone want one ?


Lou Barron
27th May 2012, 11:00 PM
Hi Jim While not knowing the laws of your council it seems that the advice about going to your insurance company given by some of the guys is the right thing to do .I think the same thing would apply here in NZ .Wish you a pleasant time for your holiday regards Lou

Charlie Hannah
28th May 2012, 03:31 AM
Jim This is a little bit of the action when i had three tree's blown over into my yard from next door,I claimed for removal off my insurance as the owner of the tree's insurance wouldn't pay to remove them.I found out later that both parties must claim from their own insurance.Cost $1800.
I had just finished having a beer with my neighbour in my yard and was entering my back door when they came down Roy Next door was as deaf as a newt never heard them come down and believe you me they made one hell of a racket.this all happened so quick when this storm blew up,down came the tree's.
Click on link Below.


happy daze john in oz
28th May 2012, 05:56 AM
Not sure of the law in UK but here in Oz you are allowed to remove any part of a tree that encroaches onto your property and you are allowed to put the offending bits back to the neighbour.

You could also ring bark it and end it once and for all.

John Pruden
28th May 2012, 06:12 AM
JIM every tree in the area is numbered so no chance of cutting it down you should ask the corporation for advise one thing to remember the same under ground as what there is above so the roots go every were?? i it may cause damage to your home they can take action over it.JP

Bob Hollis
28th May 2012, 08:03 AM

Copper nails must be placed near the roots of the tree to do damage. The copper must get into both the roots and the shoots of the tree, which means it must be transferred throughout the tree to be an effective killing agent. When copper nails are driven into the tree near the roots and begin to inhibit the tree's ability to take in nutrients, slow death will occur. Copper must also get into all parts of the tree before it begins to have toxic effects, which means you must drive several nails in a circular pattern around the base of the tree. Even with proper copper nail placement and depth, death by copper nail is long and drawn-out for a tree. The tree will suffer slow nutrient deficiency before it dies, and the process could take many months.

Read more: Will Copper Nails Kill Trees? | eHow.com Will Copper Nails Kill Trees? | eHow.com (http://www.ehow.com/info_10053703_copper-nails-kill-trees.html#ixzz1w9JiWi2t)

Older folk used to hammer in the big copper pennies. I have used copper pipe, works a treat.

john gill
28th May 2012, 08:30 AM
sorry to hear about your problem Jim. Read an item the other day with reference not unlike your own dilemma where a neighbours tree (leylandi) was encroaching on his property. After numerous altercations, not to mention expensive counsel, he resolved the problem by sneaking into his neighbours garden in the dead of night and urinating on the roots. It worked, the tree died, but unfortunately he'd been spotted on cctv and was subsuquently prosecuted. While not suggesting that would be the answer to your problem,(are sycamores wee sensitive)? it's worth a go, although you may need to top yourself up with several gallons of Tetleys in the Caradoc before your attempt.

Jim Brady
28th May 2012, 08:31 AM
Thanks for the advice from those who have replied.They were some pics them Charlie I would'nt fancy sitting there when they came down.

Kenneth Kenny
28th May 2012, 07:20 PM
Hi Jim,enjoy you two weeks holiday with family.My youngest son Andrew and his wife our on a cruise the ship Crown Princess,they were Dubvonik on Saturday they went on the cable car and walk on the famous wall.Take Care from Ken.

Charlie Hannah
29th May 2012, 03:41 AM
Jim them trees that crashed into my place were silver Gums,i had four of my own. After that happened i got an Aborist in All my Neibours were elderly at the time and to allay there fears of same thing happening i got the ABorist to cut them down,he did the compleat job for $1600 that was felling and removing.

Jim Brady
29th May 2012, 03:59 AM
Hi Charlie,it certainly is an expensive game having trees removed,thats what the gripe is with these people behind me.What is so stupid about it is,about four years ago they had it cut down but they left a stump in about 8ft high,branches started growing on this and as I say are now about 40ft high.It does not block their light in any way so whats annoying is ,us sitting in the dark and watching them sun bathing.
By the way,I asked you this before on another thread,did you knock around with Pat Brady (no relation ) and Eddie Dean ?

happy daze john in oz
29th May 2012, 05:58 AM
I had a sixty foot gum tree in my back yard. I had reduced it to 30 foot some years ago just with a bow saw, but like all gum trees it grew back. Needed a big trim, so I got a long rope, another bow saw, a ladder and sent my brother uo to cut away (I am not stupid) he cut seven cubic meters out and we still have a couple more to go, will be good exercise for him in the spring.

29th May 2012, 10:59 AM
You need toask the council if it is protected , if it is you have to get planning permission to prune it , but the law in the UK is that if any part of your neighbours tree overgrows your property , you can prube it back to your border , subject to there being no Tree preservation order as stated at the start , and you should return their property by dumping it back on them . A tree surgeon will cost you around 450 a day ( prices down here on South Coast ) or if you dont care what it looks like , and there is definatly no preservation order , you will probably get a Rouge Trader , as shown on Doiminic Littlewood's program to do it for much less

John Arton
29th May 2012, 03:15 PM
I am pretty sure on this as a number of years ago my mate (a builder) was building a house and needed to cut down some trees to get access to the site. We were told there was no preservation order on any of the trees but we could only cut down ones that had trunks less than 6 inch dia. Fortunatley we managed to find enough with less than that dia. that we could cut down and so got access.
This tree planting craze can lead to problems. Some years back in the U.K. a law was passed that any new estate built had to have a certain amount of open land left on it and that shrubs and trees be planted.
A mate of mine on an estate built around 20 years ago had this bloody great tree growing on the border between him and his neighbour that both of them hated, so they got together one night and cut it down and hacked up its roots. Only problem some other snidy neighbour reported them to the council and they both got find 4000, so beware, make sure any action you take has been checked out with the council etc. beforehand.
My house's rear garden backs onto National Trust Land and a proviso for building of the estate was that trees had to be planted to screen the estate from people walking on Cleadon Hills. We now have most of our lovely rear garden covered in shade in summer due to the blighters they planted and there is nothing I can do about it. The Council (who have adopted the estate and assist the National Trust in maintaining the open land behind us, say they can only cut down some trees when they get so big that they start interfering with each other.
Capt. John Arton (ret'd)

Jim Brady
29th May 2012, 03:31 PM
John,as i said a couple of posts back they cut it down 4 years ago but did'nt finish the job now it has come back with a vengeance.It is only a sycamore tree and is of no historic interest and only fit for a public park and not a small back garden.I've just looked out the back bedroom window and somebody is sun bathing in the offending garden whilst we are in the dark!!!!

29th May 2012, 06:56 PM
Tree Preservation Orders (http://www.onlineplanningoffices.co.uk/html/additional_advice/tree_preservation_orders.php)

Go to this site Jim , at the bottom is a Box for the post Code that will tell you if a TPO is in force . If not then get the Bow or Chain saw out , but throw the cuttings back they are not yours .

Charlie Hannah
30th May 2012, 03:56 AM
Yes,I did answer this one a while back,Jim I knew them very well i am still in touch with pat but haven't seen Eddy for over 40 years,hope to make up for that this year some time thinking of paying a visit home!Might just bump into you in the Alex used to be my local when Billy Gouldburn had it and before that was built i drank in the old one Toolans.good times.

Jim Brady
30th May 2012, 06:50 AM
Hi Charlie,the Alex I drink in is South Road Waterloo,I bumped into Eddy in the Alex I was talking about this site,he said Pat Brady is on the computer all the time to Charlie Hannah in Australia.I told him that you were on this site thats when he told me that him and Pat used to drink with you around Bootle.It was the day before the Grand National Eddy had a fiver on an 11/1 which gave him 60 he stuck a fiver in my hand and wanted to make a fuss of me with the beer,which I did'nt let him of course.It's a small world.I was on the Salinas and when we got to Panama on the way home the Purser gave me a note to say that there was a Registered Letter for me in the office.I called into PSNC when I went the pool the letter was for Pat Brady from some girl in Altrincham who I think was a passenger on the Pacifico or the Mar,she wanted to contact him.I ripped it up.

Captain Kong
30th May 2012, 03:44 PM
Just stick a gob on him Jim.
Wont do any good , but you may feel better.

Charlie Hannah
31st May 2012, 02:10 AM
Bit of a mix up Jim i thought you lived down the Lane!When were you on the Salinas?I was on here in 64! 21 9 64 to6th Oct 64.

Jim Brady
31st May 2012, 07:31 AM
Hi Charlie.I did two trips on the Salinas 1959. Yes I was born and bred down the Lane left there when I got married,did a trip on the King Henry it was in a right mess brought it back brand new,plenty on overtime good pay off so bought a little 2up and 2 down out this way.Thats well demolished but stayed out this way.
Jim B.

Charlie Hannah
1st June 2012, 02:57 AM
Good one Jim,Salinas wasn't a bad job,great run used to love that run West Coast South America.We lived over Susie Slaters shop during the war. Remember Susie Jim, great woman.

Jim Brady
1st June 2012, 07:59 AM
Hi Charlie,your back jigger ran into our street Shelley St..This guy Davy Lawler lived right behind you 2 shelley.he has just written a book all about the area during those years,Susie Slater gets a mention obviously.He was in the same class as me at ST.James's he mentions me in the book I sent him a pm disclaiming his story on me.Do you ever log on to the Bootle Forum? you will most probably come across people you know.For anybody else that wishes to see some good pics of ships comong and going on the Mersey worth a look,also pics of dockers at work.

Charlie Hannah
2nd June 2012, 03:47 AM
Jim i often go on the Bootle site, i met a mate of mine on there i hadn't seen for 60 years. Small world!

Charlie Hannah
3rd June 2012, 03:26 AM
This will interest you Jim, Took it from this mornings Sunday Telegraph!


Jim Brady
3rd June 2012, 10:10 AM
Hi Charlie,I'm in Croatia at the moment my son has just given me a lap top to play around with,Whatever it was you posted has been removed,it has moved or been deleted so I'm afraid I've missed your interesting story,