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Albert Bishop
15th April 2012, 03:31 PM
Probably just me being a miserable ould git, but just how many documentaries and films are we to get on uk tv about the Titanic? Yes it was a tragety, but lately it seems every time I switch the box on, I get another version of what happened. The story is being milked for all its worth. I even heard it called the " Greatest maratime disaster of all time". (I don't think so) and any day now I expect to hear that the pope has decided to cannonise the ship, and it will now be known as "Saint Titanic." It was a long time ago. So as the saying goes "LETS GET OVER IT" and let the dead rest in peace, Cheers, Albi.

Keith at Tregenna
15th April 2012, 09:22 PM
RE: "The story is being milked for all its worth. I even heard it called the " Greatest maratime disaster of all time". LETS GET OVER IT" and let the dead rest in peace".

Today was for tribute and remembrance another 100 years will see more talk.

Thought provoking must be was The RMS Titanic Sinking An Insurance Fraud?

LINK: http://www.insuranceblog.co.uk/2012/04/titanic-sunk-in-insurance-fraud/ ?

So how did what had been a business decision to hoodwink the Ministry of Transport turn into an insurance fraud?

Well the matter of an Iceberg for one thing!

Gardiner goes on to explain all sorts of incredulous reasoning about how White Star planned to scuttle the ship and had pre-arranged a collision in mid-atlantic, however all this was unnecessary if the iceberg was just an accident.



15th April 2012, 11:45 PM
Having watched tonights episode of the sinking did anyone pick up on the cockup when the officer of the watch gave the order hard a starboard the wheelman actually put the wheel to port and the officer went to the starbord side to watch the berg going past befpre the collision?
Rgds Deinis

16th April 2012, 12:00 AM
I seem to recollect on one of the original black and white fims from hollywood the same question was asked. The reply if I can remember correctly was that they were referring to starboard and larboard in the old jargon. Anyhow these films are not produced by anyone resembling a seaman. I agree with Albert that the dead should be left to rest in peace. The Board of Enquiry should have been the finish of all the so called detective work now going in to try and change the course of history. Regards John Sabourn.

Keith at Tregenna
16th April 2012, 12:12 AM
Lost our cable service near the end, will see all on catch up tomorrow, please all, do not give away the ending .................................

Asked a mate to record the end he just mailed me with:

An airplane took off from the airport. The captain is Jewish and the First Officer is Chinese.

It's the first time they flown together and it's obvious by the silence that they don't get along.

After thirty minutes, the Jewish Captain mutters, "I don't like Chinese."

The First Officer replies, "Oooooh, no rike Chinese? Why dat?"

"You people bombed Pearl Harbor. That's why I don't like Chinese."

"Nooooo, noooo...Chinese no bomb Pearl Hahbah. That Japanese, not Chinese."

"Chinese, Japanese, Vietnamese...it doesn't matter, they're all alike."

Another thirty minutes of silence. Finally, the First Officer says, "No rike Jew."

"Why not? Why don't you like Jews?"

"Jews sink Titanic."

"The Jews didn't sink the Titanic. It was an iceberg."

"Iceberg, Goldberg, Greenberg, Rosenberg...no mattah...all same."

I think he was taking the piz or was drunk, all the bits eye sore never mentioned planes or pilots. If ever a plane was that big, I would not fly on it, possibly ships of that size and larger should be avoided ?

Although as ever respect and tribute, though can look at the lighter side.

Gonna have a night cap, shaken not stirred and by no way any ice.
Not working in the morning, maybe a Night to Remember:


happy daze john in oz
16th April 2012, 06:00 AM
We had a BBC program here last night, recorded it to watch at a later date but have my doubts about it.
Also I wonder just what is going on with the cruise ships?. On our news Sunday night at 1800 hours, or 0900 hours Uk time they showed the UK cruise ship and the US cruise ship at the point of the Titanic's sinking and wreaths were being thrown into the water. It was pitch dark so this must have taken place on the night of Saturday 14th???????????????????????????????

Captain Kong
16th April 2012, 08:12 AM
Having watched tonights episode of the sinking did anyone pick up on the cockup when the officer of the watch gave the order hard a starboard the wheelman actually put the wheel to port and the officer went to the starbord side to watch the berg going past befpre the collision?
Rgds Deinis
. I have an idea that the steering gear in those days was opposite to what it is in our day. It was rather like a tiller, to turn to port a tiller was put to starboard and vice versa.
So to turn the ship to port the helm order would be, hard a starboard.
I didnt see the TV show but in previous films of the colliison the order is `hard a starboard` and the ship turns to port and the Ice Berg slides down the Starboard side.
Some one will correct me if I am wrong.

16th April 2012, 08:15 AM
Titanic was undoutably a masive maritime dissaster, but I have to agree with Albi. Here in Southampton it is the be all and end all to the Port/City and a stranger to the City would have to be forgiven if they left believing the Titanic was the only ship that ever sailed out of the Port. scant mention of the Pilgrim Fathers leaving the port. Scant mention of Cunard, Union Castle, Royal Mail, P&O Lines etc. It will be interesting to visit the New Musium that the City Fathers have heavily invested in, which acording to what I have seen on our local TV is yet again mainly Titanic. Yes best part of the crew were from Southampton,and left many families without a bread winner in the City.
in Southampton

Captain Kong
16th April 2012, 08:22 AM
Over Easter we were having dinner with several guests, on my dining room wall is a large picture of the TITANIC, signed by Milvinia Dean, one of the survivors.
My little grandson, age six pointed out the picture to the guests and told them the story of the Titanic, and finished by saying ".......and the Titanic crashed into an Ice Cube". Everyone fell over laughing.

---------- Post added at 09:22 AM ---------- Previous post was at 09:17 AM ----------

No one ever mentions the ` Empress of Ireland`, CPR, which collided with a Norwegian ship, in the St. Laurence River two years after the Titanic, around twelve hundred people lost, a disaster of Titanic proportions. This was inside a river only a couple of hundred yards from shore.
Of course there were many wartime disasters at sea, such as Cunards `Lancastria `where several thousand were lost.

Ivan Cloherty
16th April 2012, 09:15 AM
Hi Brian

The Titanic was supposed to be one of the ships fitted with the new system, when the wheel was turned to port the ship turned to port and vice versa with starboard. Again I stand to be corrected but ships already in service were using the new system, so it may beggar belief that the grandest ship in the world at that time would not keep up with the new system. Perhaps the film advisors and historians got it wrong, as we have all watched documentaries where "Expert Nautical Historians" (who have never been to sea) have made us wince when they have described a certain situation. I remember watching the Antiques Roadshow when Arthur Negus was shown a sextant and was describing its function to an unsuspecting member of the public, I had to check the date to make sure it wasn't April 1st!

Captain Kong
17th April 2012, 11:17 AM
Maybe the Film makers do not know which is Port or Starboard.
It was rather like the TV film on the Laconia. where the Third Mate has more gold braid than a Japanese Admiral and the Mate only had on stripe,
The film makers really should get a Good Seafaring man to advise them.

David Williams
17th April 2012, 03:49 PM
A very sad time,but enough is enough,
Dave Williams.
PS The Lusitania was a bigger maritime disaster
but we dont hear half as much about her we
do about the Titanic.

Tony Wilding
17th April 2012, 04:35 PM
i may be wrong but i think Titanic was biggest loss of life in peacetime, ? the Lancastria and the German ship torpedoed in the Baltic in the last days of the war far greater losses, i dont think an accurate number is known. but over 6000 on each ship.

English Margaret
17th April 2012, 08:45 PM
All this Titanic hype is just a money spinner for the producers. What about the poor souls who lost their lives in the first and second world wars. many were not even picked up by their ships, but left to drown. not forgetting those who were eaten by sharks in the pacific. An old friend of mine lost her husband in this manner. Yes Titanic was tragic but then there were also many, many others more tragic. LEST WE FORGET seems very apt,

Tony Wilding
17th April 2012, 09:07 PM
The Titanic was advertised as unsinkable and on her maiden voyage , thats why she became such an icon, nothing much was heard of her until the wreck was found, then interest was re awakened, i dont agree with the selling of raised artifacts. better in museums. any loss at sea is a tragedy.:th_thth5952deef:

Ian Malcolm
17th April 2012, 11:36 PM
" Greatest maritime disaster of all time". (I don't think so)

The Lancastria and Wilhelm Gustloft were much greatest disasters, but they were in wartime and didn't have wealthy people on them. Over 7000 died on the Wilhelm Gustloft and the tragedy is the subject of 'The Cruellest Night' by Dobson, Miller and Payne.

Lou Barron
18th April 2012, 12:43 AM
While the sinking of the Titanic was a dreadful disaster that should never have happened .Ifeel it is going over the odds with all the news on tv and the media about the sinking of the ship in my mind it is all for commercial reasons

happy daze john in oz
18th April 2012, 06:22 AM
As is always the case with such stories, the new versions of Titanic are filled with flaws. But never let the truth get in the way of a good story or TV program!

Red Lead Ted
25th April 2012, 04:04 PM
Was the only ship ever registered in Liverpool never to enter the Mersey. Just a thought Regards all Terry.:thumb_ship2:

Capt Bill Davies
25th April 2012, 04:14 PM
More importantly Ted! How many ships are sailing the seas with a British Port on the Stern where the Owner, Master and Crew have never seen the skies over UK. But,.......carry a token BRITISH Cadet (for their sins).



Chris Allman
25th April 2012, 04:15 PM
No Terry, there was Queen Mary and Queen Elizabeth they were registered in Liverpool but never came.


Red Lead Ted
25th April 2012, 04:28 PM
Bothed berthed Pier Head Liverpool Regards Chris Terry.:th_thth5952deef:

Google Image Result for http://www.ssmaritime.com/qm-qe-nyc-1940.jpg (http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?q=queen+mary+queen+elizabeth+berthed+in+liv erpool&hl=en&gbv=2&tbm=isch&tbnid=4eb43rGS7NhFcM:&imgrefurl=http://www.ssmaritime.com/queenmaryphoto1b.htm&docid=Ri0atBxxao8rZM&imgurl=http://www.ssmaritime.com/qm-qe-nyc-1940.jpg&w=400&h=270&ei=DSWYT5QJz5LRBfy32PAF&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=479&vpy=525&dur=10030&hovh=184&hovw=273)

Captain Kong
25th April 2012, 04:52 PM
Chis m8
Bothed berthed Pier Head Liverpool Regards Chris Terry.
Hi Terry,
Queen Mary and Queen Elizabeth both had LIVERPOOL on their sterns but never ever came to Liverpool.
I stayed on QUEEN MARY, in Long Beach CAL. in March and she still has LIVERPOOL on her stern.
Now the new Queen Mary 2 and the new Queen Elizabeth have both been to Liverpool but used to have SOUTHAMPTON on their sterns but now have HAMILTON painted on. I have sailed on both ships and now under Bermuda flag.
. Thanks for the link, it shows the Queen Mary as she is in Long Beach on those Pages at the end. She is in beautiful condition, far nicer than the new Queen Elizabeth. She is well worth a visit and stay. I have stayed many many times
and love every minute, superb accommodation and restaurants and bars. and an interesting maritime museum.
and not expensive.

Red Lead Ted
25th April 2012, 05:04 PM
Stand correced m8 will change my Q, To {SCOUSERS} Aboard a liverpool registered ship never entered the Mersey. {DONT TELL ME THERE IS ONE???? }:hair_raising:

Keith at Tregenna
25th April 2012, 11:32 PM
QUOTE: PS The Lusitania was a bigger maritime disaster but we dont hear half as much about her as we do about the Titanic. David Williams.

Please see attached:

Lusitania monument / tribute the Old Head of Kinsale:


Keith at Tregenna
26th April 2012, 12:59 AM
Engineersí heroics:

ITíS about time someone spoke up for the engineers who sailed on the Titanic.

LINK: Engineers (http://www.barryanddistrictnews.co.uk/news/letters/9656577.Engineers____heroics/)


happy daze john in oz
26th April 2012, 01:38 AM
But there are amny ships that are registered in porst they will never ever visit. Most of the cruise ships are registered in Hamilton etc but never go there. Flags of convinience is now how the shipping industry works.

Capt Bill Davies
26th April 2012, 06:55 PM
Isn't that the truth! But who else inflates the national figures by the insidious method of allowing the flag to be used for the price of taking a cadet and Tonnage Tax and at the same time criticise perceived FOC at every opportunity.


Ivan Cloherty
26th April 2012, 07:56 PM
I was Supt of a Swiss Shipping Company for some time, the ships had no chance of getting to lake Geneva