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James Baker
15th November 2011, 11:23 AM
My Father, Joseph Samuel Baker served with the merchant navy, and often told me of the convoy runs to Russia he took part in. Dad, however passed many years back, but I have always wondered if he should have received a medal. A few years back , I contacted the Russian Embassy, but the response was that the government were not allowing the medals to be given. I don't have my Dad's Merchant Number or ship he sailed with, again any help in locating this information, appreciated.


Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Regards

James Baker

DeepSea
15th November 2011, 06:15 PM
Start by giving us his date and place of birth and we will help you on your way.

James Baker
16th November 2011, 07:19 AM
Hi Billy,

Joseph Samuel Baker
Born 18th June 1908 Registered at West Derby Lancashire.

Hope this helps

Regards

James

DeepSea
21st November 2011, 07:57 PM
There does not appear to be any primary records for him at Kew, so can only suggest you check the for his CRS-10 service file. If available it will be held in BT 382/66 covering the surnames Baker Henry to Baker Robert William John.

Click on link to see ordering and viewing options. The easiest way to see these files is to visit Kew. If you are unable to do this, there are other options available, but at a cost.

Detecting your browser settings (http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/displaycataloguedetails.asp?CATLN=6&CATID=8123372&SearchInit=4&SearchType=6&CATREF=bt382%2F66)

louise begley
11th November 2018, 11:18 PM
Hello I am trying to do the same for my Grandad. Was you successful in your research.
My Grandad was in the Russian Conveys to on a sub I believe.

Doc Vernon
11th November 2018, 11:23 PM
Hello Louise
As requested for the other please supply full name DOB and place of Birth.
From there we can look and see what we can find for you
Thanks

Doc Vernon
11th November 2018, 11:25 PM
Arctic convoy heroes can begin applying for their WW2 campaign medal now

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Veterans of the bitter Arctic convoys delivering aid to Russia in World War 2 can today begin applying for a medal to recognise their service.
The Queen has approved the design for the Arctic Star – a full campaign medal, which is being cast this week.This is the Arctic Star – and from today veterans of the bitter convoys to Russia 70 years ago can finally apply for them. The Queen has approved the design for the medal, which is being cast this very week so it can be presented as soon as possible to the men who delivered vital supplies to the Soviet Union in World War 2. It’s thought between 200 and 400 sailors – all now in their late 80s at their youngest – survive from the four-year-long campaign, a mission Churchill acknowledged was “the worst journey in the world”.



The four-year struggle
to provide material to support the Soviet war effort cost the lives of around 3,000 sailors and merchant seamen – over 100 civilian and military ships were lost, with the nadir coming in the summer of 1942 when convoy PQ17 was mauled by the Luftwaffe and nine U-boats. You can download an application form from www.gov.uk/the-ministry-of-defence-medal-office (https://www.gov.uk/the-ministry-of-defence-medal-office) or write to The Arctic Star, MOD Medal Office, Imjin Barracks, Innsworth, Gloucester, GL3 1HW. The criteria for the new medal are set out below: The Arctic Star is granted for operational service of any length north of the Arctic Circle (66 degrees, 32’N) from September 3 1939 to May 8 1945, inclusive. The Arctic Star is intended to commemorate the Arctic Convoys and is designed primarily for the ships of the convoys to North Russia and their Escorts. Eligibility is defined as follows:


Navy and Merchant Navy – Naval and Merchant Navy service anywhere at sea north of the Arctic Circle to include, but not limited exclusively to, those ships participating in, and in support of, Convoys to North Russia.
Fleet Air Arm Personnel, not qualified by sea service may qualify under the conditions applying to the Royal Air Force.
Air Force – Aircrew of the Royal Air Force will be eligible if they landed north of the Arctic Circle or served in the air over this area. Non aircrew on operational service in the area, for example ground crew or those sailing with CAM ships (Catapult Aircraft Merchant Ships), are also eligible.
Army – Army personnel serving in His Majesty’s ships or in defensively equipped Merchant ships qualify under the rules applying to the Navy or Merchant Navy. In addition, personnel taking part in land operations north of the Arctic Circle will also be eligible.
Civilians serving with the Forces – Members of the few approved categories of civilians who qualify for Campaign Stars will be eligible if, in support of military operations, they meet any of the above qualifying criteria.
Foreign nationals commissioned or enlisted into British or, the then, Dominion Forces (e.g. Royal Canadian Navy, Royal Australian Navy) are eligible provided the individuals did not receive a similar award from their own Government.
General – Eligibility to the Arctic Star has no effect upon eligibility for World War Two recognition previously awarded and does not suggest automatic eligibility for any further awards.


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Brenda Shackleton
12th November 2018, 02:47 PM
Hello
You can certainly apply for the Arctic Star. However you need Discharge number and ships served on in the Arctic. Lots more information on this site.
I am fairly certain that the Russians are only awarding the USHAKOV medal to living survivors. So, not post-humously. Perhaps someone will verify or correct this.
regards
Brenda

Keith at Tregenna
12th November 2018, 08:18 PM
Hope this helps, from the thread:

Re: (Ushakov) Trying to find the last 150 veterans

LINK lhttp://www.merchant-navy.net/forum/keith-at-tregenna/29566-ushakov-trying-150-veterans.html

Had he been awarded the Arctic Star he should have been on the list for Ushakov.

Remember that the Ushakov medal is only awarded to living recipients and is not
awarded posthumously (unlike the Arctic Star).

I believe there was a deadline for applications for Ushakov. The deadline for applications for the Ushakov medal was 13th October 2013.

However, I know of and reported on a few where the family
received the award after the person had Crossed the Bar.

The Russians are also keen to honour all and I would think
that they would do all possible to help etc.

Contact: the Russian Embassy in London, 6/7 Kensington Palace Gardens W8 4QP. tel. 0207 229 36 28 or email: ushakov@rusemb.org.uk

#17 Russian law prevents the medal from being issued posthumously, but she still received a letter from the Government which said: “Let me assure you the Russian people do remember and greatly value the role of all British allies who fought together against the common enemy during World War Two. Mr Laheney’s contribution to our joint victory is highly appreciated.”

If the chap had served within the criteria: Arctic convoys it may be advisable
as said earlier to contact the Embassy anyway.

louise begley
12th November 2018, 08:36 PM
Charles Francis Meachem 02/06/1923

He served on the submarines and mainly served during the Russian Conveys.
His sub was caught up in friendly fire and a man took a bullet for him called Malcolm. Now my father's name.

Any help on locating more details would be much appreciated.

Doc Vernon
12th November 2018, 09:11 PM
That would then relate to the Royal Navy
Cheers

louise begley
12th November 2018, 09:32 PM
Do you know where I can look for those details then as it was Navy?

Doc Vernon
12th November 2018, 09:38 PM
Go to following site and look for #3 Service Records for Deceased Royal Navy and Royal Marine Personnel who died after 1944


Information about requesting service records (http://www.royalnavyresearcharchive.org.uk/Records_page.htm)

Information about requesting service records (http://www.royalnavyresearcharchive.org.uk/Records_page.htm)

Keith at Tregenna
12th November 2018, 11:25 PM
Charles Francis Meachem
England and Wales Death Registration Index 1837-2007

birth:
2 June 1923

death registration:
September 1989
Southend On Sea, Essex, England

?

Keith.

louise begley
21st November 2018, 04:42 PM
Sorry for the late reply, thank you yes that is him.

I spent all weekend going through my Grandads paperwork records and this is what I have found.

Registration number LHK 26996
Service number KX 636189
Service 26/10/42 - 26/10/46

HMS Royal Arthur
HMS Rosneath

If anyone can tell me about these ships or any more information I would be really grateful.

Do you think this information is enough to request an Artic Medal?

Many thanks for your help.

Captain Kong
21st November 2018, 05:05 PM
HMS ROYAL ARTHUR WAS NOT A SHIP, IT WAS AN EX BUTLINS HOLIDAY CAMP in Skegness, taken over by the Navy to train new recruits,
see below, many photos , he could be on one.

HMS ROSNEATH was also a Navy shore base on the Clyde and was taken over by the USN in August 1942,
Cheers
Brian
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https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=photos+of+HMS+Royal+Arthur+HMS+Rosneath+i n+WW2&rlz=1C1CHBF_enGB822GB822&oq=photos+of+HMS+Royal+Arthur+HMS+Rosneath+in+WW2&aqs=chrome..69i57.102970j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8


HMS Royal Arthur in the Second World War 1939-1945 - The Wartime ...
https://wartimememoriesproject.com/ww2/ships/ship.php?pid=2550
HMS Royal Arthur in the Second World War, The Wartime Memories Project. ... I do have a photo of Norman with Royal Arthur class 102. If there are any ...
Missing: rosneath ‎| ‎Must include: ‎rosneath
HMS Rosneath in the Second World War 1939-1945 - The Wartime ...
https://wartimememoriesproject.com/ww2/ships/ship.php?pid=2549
HMS Rosneath in the Second World War, The Wartime Memories Project. ... if you have any names to add or any recollections or photos of those listed, please Add a ... I do know that Harry Wootten served on HMS Royal Arthur as well as HMS ...
BBC - WW2 People's War - H.M.S. Royal Arthur. The Reception on ...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/history/ww2peopleswar/stories/08/a2925308.shtml
On the 28h April 1943 1 joined the Royal Navy as an Ordinary Telegraphist/Wireless Mechanic. I got up at 7 o'clock after a good nights' sleep and ate a hearty ...
Missing: rosneath ‎| ‎Must include: ‎rosneath
HMS Royal Arthur – Wiltshire | derelicte
https://derelictex.wordpress.com/2008/12/18/hms-royal-arthur/comment-page-1/
18 Dec 2008 - HMS Royal Arthur was one of the Royal Navy's shore establishments ... after moving from Skegness (the Butlins holiday camp was used during WW2). ... I didn't get many photos of the buildings, maybe I'll revisit in the future… .... until october then sent to HMS Anzio LST Rosneath then on to HMS Hartland