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Bill Forster
27th October 2008, 12:14 PM
Some old sailors never die - as evidenced by this story about the Luccelum.

The Lucellum was built in Odense for the Astrakhan Steamship Company, part of H. E. Moss & Co. Tankers Ltd. The 1st Engineer, Norman Livesey, had been living with his wife and two young sons in Denmark whilst supervising its construction for H. E. Moss. He and the skipper, Captain John Wrey Swenson from Penrith, had sailed together on one or other of the tanker fleet of H E Moss for ten years. The crew were mostly Danish but several of the officers had been brought over from England, including my father, William Redvers Forster (1900-75), the 2nd Engineer, whose parents lived "across the road" from Norman Liversey in Monkseaton, Northumberland.

My father left the Lucellum just before the outbreak of war but Captain Swenson was in command in December 1941 when it was bombed whilst part of a coastal convoy en-route from Belfast to Swansea, killing eight men outright and burning fiercely. The young Australian 2nd Engineer, Bill Uhr, described how “in the true tradition of the sea the Captain was first off the ship and I was the last”. Against the odds the ship was saved by the courageous efforts of members of the newly formed National Fire Service and was towed to Holyhead on Anglesey. On landing Bill Uhr told the Skipper he was “the son of a long line of bachelors”. It is not surprising that although the skipper and several others were awarded medals Bill Uhr's bravery and resourcefullness was overlooked. Bill Uhr represented the Admiralty in fractious dealings with Norman Livesey of H E Moss, the ship owner, over the repairs needed.

Bill Uhr is still alive & lives in New Zealand.

Bill

Ron Hamilton
17th July 2009, 12:57 PM
I sailed on the 'Luminetta ' of the same vintage as 'Lucellum ,both sailors & firemen living in the foc'sle ,in 1950 , which turned out to be the most bizarre voyage ,& I had a few , which I experienced in 10yrs . We were fortunate to return alive , after being ordered home by Lloyds due to chronic boiler problems & if the shipping office in Nth Shields had not had a strong grille between the crew & Capt Waters at the pay-off I think there would have been some blood spilt ! It would take a book to relate our experiences & I keep telling myself to extract the digit & do it. Ron Hamilton ,Tokoroa, N.Z.

Neville Roberts
17th July 2009, 08:09 PM
I worked for H .E .MOSS, right out of school at 15 , in the exchange blds., in l,pool, was there almost 2 years and it was a job that influenced me too go to sea, I used too read the ships logs of the past and the wartime ships that were lost we got the first teletypwriter , it was amazing to see it work ,from London a typist on the other end would type and it would come through in our office ,Ha, Ha, looking back that was amazing technology.:rolleyes::rolleyes:

Michael Wisher
25th November 2009, 09:03 PM
I sailed on the Lucerna, we sailed from Falmouth in 1962 she was an old ship, slow, red hot, the deck crews cabins were over the engine room, in my 42 years at sea, she was not memorable, just a plodder, gulf, Indian coast. During 'tank cleaning', we were given a tot of rum, but the rum was made in Port Said, needless to say, there were not many takers for the second tots. she must have survived the second world war, she had the degausing gear cables around the decks. Best wishes to all surviving merchant seamen.

Max Mitchell
17th September 2010, 03:15 PM
Re Lucerna I believe I was 3rd mate on that trip total nightmare cant remember Capt's name but a truly
hard man There was an er hand called H.E.Moss signed on in Falmouth taken as a bad omen how right we were! Happily I got paid off sick in Somalia . I believe there was massive cargo contamination later on arrival Oz due to blown plugs in cargo lines. Would be pleased to learn the masters name regards maxlefou

Michael Wisher
2nd March 2011, 05:30 PM
Max, if you were on the Lucerna when I was on it the skippers name was Glover, from South Shields, the Mate was Johnson, I was 18 first trip E.D.H. for me it was a bad trip, I skinned out in Singapore, spent an uncomfortable month in the nick 'outram road', and returned to the U.K. as D.B.S on the City of Rippon. I had to 'walk the plank' for a few weeks before I got another ship, the British Patrol, paradise after Mosse's but all great experience, and for the next 40 years my life was full of various 'experiences' I loved every minute.

Richie Bradshaw
18th July 2012, 08:20 PM
hI GUYS I WAS ON THE LUCIGEN TANKER12/2/63 --7/5/63 ALLWAYS THOUGHT IT WAS ONE OF MOSS TANKERS BUT CANT FIND ANY REFERENCE ABOUT HER BUT IT WAS A GREAT SHIP AND A V/GOOD CREW.
TROUBLE IS DONT KNOW WERE WE WENT .ALL I HAVE IS HER O N 303864. ANY HELP GREATLY APPRECIATED
FOUND A PICTURE OF HER LOOKED A GREAT SHIP. BETTER THAN MY MEMORY IS RIGHT NOW.
RICHIE BRADSHAW. DECK.

Michael Knowles
23rd November 2014, 02:39 PM
My father, Patrick Knowles, served on the Lucellum as 5th engineer August 1940 - March 1941.

Doc Vernon
23rd November 2014, 08:03 PM
hI GUYS I WAS ON THE LUCIGEN TANKER12/2/63 --7/5/63 ALLWAYS THOUGHT IT WAS ONE OF MOSS TANKERS BUT CANT FIND ANY REFERENCE ABOUT HER BUT IT WAS A GREAT SHIP AND A V/GOOD CREW.
TROUBLE IS DONT KNOW WERE WE WENT .ALL I HAVE IS HER O N 303864. ANY HELP GREATLY APPRECIATED
FOUND A PICTURE OF HER LOOKED A GREAT SHIP. BETTER THAN MY MEMORY IS RIGHT NOW.
RICHIE BRADSHAW. DECK.


Lucigen (4)
303864 5213729 1962 12800
Tanker. 1968 sold to Cunard SS Co, 1975 sold to Probity Shipping, Piraeus r/n Anatoli, 1981 sold to Maralma Cia Nav, Piraeus r/n Nyala, 1986 sold to Ontario Shipping, Limassol r/n Ontario, 1988 scrapped.

http://www.teesbuiltships.co.uk/smiths/19451987/lucigen1962.htm

Doc Vernon
27th April 2015, 11:41 PM
Would anyone on here that has posted or not perhaps know of the Following Person that was on the Ship ,unfortunately we dont have a Year,so may make it difficult!
Thank you in advance
Cheers

Michael Alexander Roberts
Shepperton, Middlesex

will be 67 this year

Was on the Lucellum
and then on the Orchidea

She was(the Lucellum ) apparently Docked ( laid up ) on the River Fal near King Harry's Ferry at the time he was on her!

John Phillips
17th July 2015, 06:07 PM
My first trip to sea was as deck boy on the mv lumen of moss bros out of Falmouth April 1955 went to Basra then to Hamburg Banius Hamburg then home nice single berth cabins. My next trip was on a tramp steamer the Triland 4in a cabin thanks JP bath

Tony Hopkinson
28th November 2017, 09:00 AM
There were two sister ships 'LUCELLUM' & 'LUCERNA' which were laid up close to King Harry Ferry on River Fal. Both these vessels had come straight across the pond from new-build at Davey Shipyard (Canada) then laid-up.
I joined 'LUCELLUM' straight out of marine school (Saudi Shields) as spotty faced 17YO Engineer Cadet, and assisted with getting her up & running and back into service. Sailed on her maiden cargo voyage around to Constanta (Romania) and loaded some heavy fuel. Back across 'the pond' to discharge on USA east coast - small jetty at place called Piney Point. Remember we had problems with some cargo line valves which unable to open, and had to hire some submersible pumps from ashore to get that cargo completely discharged.
Back across the pond again to Bonney River in Nigeria where my senior 'shipmates' tried to auction me off as cherry-boy! Later that voyage both the LUCELLUM & LUCERNA docked alongside each other on same jetty in Aruba, myself & other Engineer cadet had responsibility of taking fuel-oil bunkers whilst most others were sharing salty seadog tales (& few beers) in both ships bars.
As I progressed up through the ranks, also sailed on H.E. Moss tankers 'LUMIERE' & 'LUMINETTA' as 5/E, 4/E & 3/E. Had some great and memorable times especially down on South African coast - Durban, Cape Town, Walvis Bay, Port Elizabeth, Mossel Bay, East London etc. Also sailed on m.v. 'ENERGOS' as 2nd Engineer - which Cunard Shipping Services had acquired - she was ex BP tanker?

Colin Wood
28th November 2017, 09:31 AM
We had the Cunard Tanker @Luminous in Darwin late 73 early 74 and she had to anchor for a few days due to congestion for her berth. Under the Darwin Tropical sun the cargo started to expand and almost fgilled overflow tanks to overflowing when she berthed. Crew complained of having problem with stainless Steel cargo pipes which kept breaking as not as flexible as mild steel.

Tony Hopkinson
28th November 2017, 09:55 AM
Hi Gulliver,
Yea, brought a smile when reading about footy matches. Had a couple of games against Shell oil refinery personnel - most of them played regularly in a league every weekend, so we hopelessly outplayed. We just kitted-up in trainers & E/R boots instead of proper footy boots. Half a case of Castle ale at 1/2 time for refreshments. Can't remember the final score but normally would get slaughtered. One of the deck officers wives scored a penalty for us - think they felt sorry in awarding the penna. As you say, full on Braai & few more cans afterwards helped dull the disappointing score line. Seem to remember main choice of ales either Castle or Amstel.
Bulkers main ports were East London & Richards Bay. Remember being 'shanghaied' in Durban after doing 3.5 months on 'Energos' then transferred straight over to 'Lumiere' in Richards Bay for another 1.5 months but happy days.
ATB
Tony

Tony Hopkinson
28th November 2017, 10:05 AM
Hi Colin,
Think that all Moss tankers ships names began with 'Lu'. I was originally appointed to 'Lumen' for my first vessel, but changed to 'Lucellum' at last minute when she brought out of lay-up.
The 'Lumen' was regular on the RAS - JAZ run (Ras Tanura to Jeddah), had a ships dog on board - which not so unusual in those good-old bad-old days.
Other ships were as you say Luminous with sisters Lustrous, Lumen, Luminetta & Lumiere. No doubt if any other Moss tanker regulars read this forum they will add other names.
BR