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1st March 2011, 09:34 AM
i was the sparks on board when she hit by the guiness boat at liverpool bar in 1968......has anybody got any newspaper clips or the exact date of the incident....many thanks

Doc Vernon
1st March 2011, 10:02 AM
Was it 68 or 69!

1969- tanker Hamilton trader spills 4.000 barrels of oil in Liverpool Bay, England

1969 Hamilton Trader spills 4000 barrels of oil off the coast of Liverpool, England



captain gordon whittaker
1st March 2011, 04:08 PM
I was Third Mate on this ship for almost a year. She was a lovely old girl, with Indian crew, most excellent food. Happy memories of four weeks in drydock in Jarrow. Lots of "Geordie" shore leave!

1st March 2011, 04:23 PM
Early on the morning of April 30, 1969, the Hannes Knuppel collided with the tanker Hamilton Trader in Liverpool Bay in the Irish Sea. The Hamilton Trader was anchored near the Bar Light Vessel at the time of the collision. A starboard tank on the Hamilton Trader was holed and approximately 4,000 barrels of No. 6 Fuel Oil was spilled. The spilled oil impacted approximately 50 miles of shoreline. Cleanup was accomplished primarily with chemical dispersants on the oil slicks at sea.
No. 6 fuel oil is a heavy product with an API gravity that ranges from 7 to 14. At around 1500 April 30, a Lancashire and Western Sea Fisheries vessel reported a three-mile long slick extending southwest of the collision site. On May 1, a slick six miles long extended to the northeast. On May 2, the slick was 3 miles long by 2.5 miles wide and was 9 miles north of Rhyl, Wales. The slick had dispersed somewhat by this time. The oil moved west to a point 10 miles north of Great Orme Head, Wales and remained there for By May 7, the slick was 20 miles long and extended from 10 miles off Colwyn Bay to Red Wharf Bay. Oil was driven to the north, and came ashore on May 11. Three miles of beaches near Selker Bay, England were oiled. By May 21, the oil had impacted various English beaches as far north as Allonby in the Solway Firth. A total of 50 miles of shoreline were affected.
Source:- http://www.c4tx.org/ctx/job/cdb/do_flex.html (http://www.c4tx.org/ctx/job/cdb/do_flex.html)
That's a good database site,Vernon.Allow a few seconds for it to load when you first open it.
Enter casualty name in SHIP NAME box(halfway down left column,then back to top click on SEARCH DATABASE.) When details appear,click on it to expand info.
All the Best

Doc Vernon
1st March 2011, 06:47 PM
Hello Gulliver
I was just going to ask you wherte you found that info,then read to the bottom!
Indeed an excellent site of data and i have saved to my Favourites!
Thank you so much for that!
There is only one problem and that is i cannot see the entire page,so cant see the Ship name tab!
But i will try and look at it in full Screen and see!
Somehow i will get around to playing with it Opps !! wrong way to put it! Oh no not again ! hahahah!!

Peter Trodden
2nd March 2011, 02:25 PM
I remember that incident at the L-Pool Bar.
At the time I was an AB/Rigger on the Dingle mid-river Berth in the Mersey. The Hamilton Trader was a regular visiter,and we were prepairing the Berth for Her arrival when we heard the news.
This was not the only incident with the Hannes Knuppel in the Mersey. one trip She hit a MDHB.bucket-dredger and one time She dragged her anchor while in the Middle-Deep waiting to go up to Garston,ended up across the
Eastham channel,She was spotted and sorted herself out.:)
ttfn. Peter.

Phil Crawley
2nd March 2011, 03:52 PM
Hi Peter, did you know Harry Tompkinson (snowy) and Tony Foran from your Dingle Jetty days, I think I met you one time, were you in the RNR.
Phil Crawley.

Peter Trodden
2nd March 2011, 05:51 PM
Hi Phil,
Yes I knew Snowy and Tony very well,use to go over to Garston and have a few drinks in his club,but He was allways trying to sell me something. After I had left that Job I heard he bought a Pub and His Daughter was helping run it.He was some character,was Snowy. I use to meet Tony of a Thursday night and go the Boxing at L-Pool stadium,sadly both gone now. Phil, you maybe mixing me up with Peter Roberts,He was RNR and worked with us. Sadly He went missing while working for Land & Marine in the Persian Gulf.

Phil Crawley
3rd March 2011, 11:50 AM
Hi Peter, I have probably met you in the club in Garston or at the stadium as I used to go with Foran now and again, Tony was a really nice guy as was Snowy both now sadly gone, Snowy's business partner, she had four daughters and two sons he put them all in pubs and a club in town, he used to say he was well on his way to the second million but always wore old jeans a reefer coat and a home made revie, I knew Peter Roberts was dead but I didn't know the circumstances I thought he was ill and had died in hospital, I went to Eaglet with him one night to join the RNR but I was barely a year over the age limit, he nearly got thrown out for arguing the toss with the recruiting officer.
Phil Crawley.

3rd March 2011, 08:05 PM
many many thanks for the imfo and links re this collision......what a lot of people didnt relise at the time was the we had quite a severe list and due to this the harbourmaster would not allow us entry into tranmere....we sailed around the isle of man and dumped the remaining oil before we went into dry dock in birkenhead...imagine doing that in these days